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Old 24 May 2012, 22:09
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Suspicious Specular....

Hi,
Today I take a day off from scenery design and rethink about options in Gmax. Do they really work as we think ?
I really don't know and I'd like to find out. This is a open discussion, please fell free to comment. Not a tutorial since I don't know either.

What I'd like to find out is the best setting for a concrete building with reflecting windows. I think this is the most use material for scenery design.

I made a texture, white stripes on the green background.
I made specular texture by putting alpha channel in various shade;pure white, 50% white,25% white.



Then I made a box and put texture on it. I set up the material to be:
Specular Level 64
Glossiness 20
Blend environment by specular map alpha.
Use global environment map as reflection.
Reflection Scale 50%.
Exported and put it in FSX and see how it looked like.



Personally, I think 50 alpha is the best for normal window. Pure white may be good for metal instead of window.
(I'm sorry that this picture is the specular texture with the 50% black tint on the whole texture. Too many options at a time might get me confused.)

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Old 24 May 2012, 22:10
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Then I have more questions. If the specular power option make any different in this? Since it require new material, so I made three boxes and put different material for each of them. Specular power is set to 64, 90 and 128. How it looks like in FSX? Exciting for me! Since I thought it would make light refection more if the power is up. See what happen:







I think they are almost the same. The light reflect is much more controlled by specular diffuse color (specular color = light reflection power; specular alpha= how clear the environment reflect on the window). The more black tint on the specular diffuse texture, the less light reflect on the surface. See the first green strip on the left of the box.
I think for concrete building, 50% black tint on specular texture is OK. Too much black tint will make the color change to more dark than it should be.
Surprise that specular level has nothing to do with these.

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Old 24 May 2012, 22:15
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Then I went on with more questions. How is reflection scale effect the appearance? The name is confusing. I once thought at first it is the scale of the picture that reflect on. Sorry for my English, I might be the only one that confuse with the name.



See in the picture, I think the reflect scale 50 is good. I think 100 and specular alpha to pure white is good for chrome metal rather than glass window. Lesser than 50 is not good at all. You can barely seen the environment reflect on the window.

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Old 24 May 2012, 22:37
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Then I was getting more fun, or more confused. I'm not sure about that.

Now what! I thought about glossiness. It should make the light spot that reflect on the window smaller when the number of it is higher.







Ha ha, I was wrong. It has no effect at all. I think it might be a little bit smaller when you actually slew around but it is hard to tell by the photo.
My opinion about this: forget it. Let it be default never cause anything.

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Old 24 May 2012, 22:45
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I cannot remember who recommend to tick on "No base material specular". I wonder if it works or makes any different. So I set up materials for two boxes.


Check on "No base material specular'


No check on "No base material specular'
I don't see any changes.

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Old 24 May 2012, 23:09
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So my conclusion, just only for myself. You might have one of your own by looking at these pictures.
Best material for concrete is 50% black tint on the specular texture.
Best material for reflecting windows is 50% black on alpha of specular diffuse texture.
Specular level and glossiness seem to have no control if there is specular texture.
"No base material specular" does not make any different.

For chrome metal, put white on specular diffuse texture and white on specular alpha.

Please fell free to comment if anything wrong, or you are not agree with.

More comments will let me know more.
Thanks.
Tic

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Hi Tic,

Great comparison. I'll have top read it in detail again tonight.

Normally specular power controls the size if the light spot. But it can very well be that is for materials that have no specular texture, just a colour. I'll try to do done tests with that.

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Old 25 May 2012, 03:13
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with "No base material specular" I can see a great difference, more luminousity in his faces.
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Old 25 May 2012, 03:56
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with "No base material specular" I can see a great difference, more luminousity in his faces.
Sorry about the label.
The first picture is "No base material specular" checked.
The second one is "No base material specular" not checked.
I think it is just the view of camera.
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Anyway very intersting your exposition about the matter. never will be enough to get the hang.
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