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Airport Reference Point

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Russel,

Nice progress! I still find it unbelievable that this is a Java application.

Is it already possible to move the Airport Reference Point? If so, how do I do it?

Cheers,
Martin
 
gsnde said:
Russel,

Nice progress! I still find it unbelievable that this is a Java application.
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Thanks! Why the surprise at it being a Java app? (just curious)

Is it already possible to move the Airport Reference Point? If so, how do I do it?

Cheers,
Martin
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Yes you can move the airport reference point. It is actually the lat/lon coordinates for the airport. You can adjust this in the airport properties dialog at the top left of the screen. Be careful doing this though as you'll be moving the airport within FSX. This may cause other unexpected problems. Moving the airport reference point this way does not move anything else in the airport. If you want to move the entire airport to a new location then you should use the Move Airport option under the Edit menu. This will move the airport reference point and move everything else so that their position relative to the airport reference point remains the same. Again, this may produce other unexpected results within FSX, especially when it come to navigation. So proceed with care!

-Russell
 
Thanks! Why the surprise at it being a Java app? (just curious)
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Just because it is the first tool I have seen realized in Java in all the years with FS.

Regarding the ARP - I like to see if overlays are working the same way as before. What I meant with my question was if there is any way to drag the visual ARP marker to another point; comparable to how you could do that in AFCAD. [ I bet you and Jon probably hate this "like in AFCAD... :D ]

Cheers,
Martin
 
gsnde said:
Regarding the ARP - I like to see if overlays are working the same way as before. What I meant with my question was if there is any way to drag the visual ARP marker to another point; comparable to how you could do that in AFCAD. [ I bet you and Jon probably hate this "like in AFCAD... :D ]

Cheers,
Martin
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When you drag the reference point, would that move the entire airport?

(As for the 'like in AFCAD' references - well I'm not trying to recreate AFCAD, or any other application, as I think that a) it's not right to exactly copy how any app does something, and b) i'd only add a feature if it was consistent with the overall concept of FSX Planner. So the AFCAD references aren't annoying - I just have to make sure they fit in with the overall concept of FSX Planner. There's no point in having two apps that do the exact same thing in the exact same way. :) )

-Russell
 
In AFCAD it does not move the whole Airport.

rf360m said:
When you drag the reference point, would that move the entire airport?
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Russell

In AFCAD it does not move the whole Airport.
You can put it anywhere, but that might have some effect I am not aware off. ??

Steve
 
Russel,

No, if you drag the visual reference point in AFCAD it just changes the airport reference location, not the rest.

The advantage is that if you know where you have to put it, you can just do so. Otherwise you have to find out the coordinates and change it manually. It is a thing of convenience.

Cheers,
MArtin
 
Moving the reference point by either dragging it or by entering new coordinates would have the effect of repositioning where FSX thinks the airport actually is, even if everything in the airport stayed in its original location. I haven't tested this but would think that is what would happen. Therefore I would think that you'd only move the airport reference point if it was incorrect within FSX, (ie you wouldn't move it just because you want it over near runway X of where ever). What are some thoughts on this?
 
Russel,

Being lazy I just quote instead of writing myself. This is from the AFCAD Help File describing how to do overlays:

One thing that can make working with overlay airports tricky has to do with a quirk of the Flight Simulator ATC. If you program the AI to use separate overlays, they will land on the appropriate runway for the overlay they are assigned to, but once on the ground the AI will contact the ATC ground control at the closest airport for taxiing and parking instructions. At a normal airport there would only be one ATC ground control, and the closest airport would obviously be the one the AI just landed at, but in an overlaid airport there would be two ground controls at the exact same location, so the AI would contact just one of those ground controls. Unfortunately that may not be the ATC in the overlay the AI was programmed to land at, and they would end up going to a parking spot in the 'other' overlay. But worse still, this usually results in all the AI ending up in the same overlay and fighting for all the parking spots in that overlay, which would only be half the parking at that airport.

There is a way to get around this, and that is to move the Airport Reference Point (the pink spiky dot) in the overlay and/or base airport. The AI contact the closest ground control based on the distance to the Airport Reference Point, so if you make sure that the reference point for each overlay is closest to the active runway for that overlay, then the AI will contact the 'right' ground control upon landing, and will remain in the overlay that it was programmed to land in. This works well for airports with parallel runways like KLAX or KATL, where you can easily move the reference point closer to the appropriate active runway, but that may not be easy to achieve at airports with crossing active runways.
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This has worked well in FS9, and I want to see if it is still a valid approach with FSX.

Moving the reference point by either dragging it or by entering new coordinates would have the effect of repositioning where FSX thinks the airport actually is, even if everything in the airport stayed in its original location. I haven't tested this but would think that is what would happen.
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Yes, this is what will happen, I misunderstand you the post before. All airport facilities like runways, taxiways etc. stay where they are, what moves is the center definition of the airport.

Cheers,
Martin
 
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