P3D v4 Flattens not working

[consta]

Hi everyone ,
I am having this issue where i am trying to flatten the shore of this airport (CHIOS LGHI) , but it doesnt seem to work . I created the Flatten polygon ADE the left part Vertices of the polygons have the AIrport alt value set and i have set 0 meters for the right side vertices polygon to create a slope but it doesnt look like how i created it in ADE . Pictures attached below are related to this issue


Other than that i have tried to make a full polygon around the airport and set its elevation to 0 to bring the airport down to sea level but that doesnt work either and shows wierd flattening at the airport.
Also tried the *Change Airport Reference Data* option in ADE Tools and similar problems

this how it looks in sim :

this is how i tried to create the flatten in ADE :

 

[pinkjr]

OK, now take that flatten shape and divide into triangles. Yes, manually. You will need to make a lot of triangle shape flattens, with the option "set altitude for each vertex individualy" on. Make sure each vertex has the correct altitude. It takes time but it works.

 

[RED COOL]

same problem mine is even worse
somebody told me to use SBX instead of ADE but didn't test yet

 

[RED COOL]

OK, now take that flatten shape and divide into triangles. Yes, manually. You will need to make a lot of triangle shape flattens, with the option "set altitude for each vertex individually" on. Make sure each vertex has the correct altitude. It takes time but it works.

what do you mean? make triangles that cross each other?

 

[consta]

OK, now take that flatten shape and divide into triangles. Yes, manually. You will need to make a lot of triangle shape flattens, with the option "set altitude for each vertex individualy" on. Make sure each vertex has the correct altitude. It takes time but it works.

by triangle do you mean to cut the whole polygon and divide it in multiple polygons also do you mean to make them into the *Triangular shape*

 

[GaryGB]

Exclude and Replace any local CVX vector polygons that have assigned Altitude attributes.

GaryGB

 

[consta]

Exclude and Replace any local CVX vector polygons that have assigned Altitude attributes.

GaryGB

Can you elaborate it a little bit , due to my less knowledge about terrain files i didnt understand what you meant sorry .

 

[pinkjr]

by triangle do you mean to cut the whole polygon and divide it in multiple polygons also do you mean to make them into the *Triangular shape*

Yes!!

 

[pinkjr]

similar to to this. The vertices close to the water would have Altitude = 0, and the vertices on the "sand" side Altitude = 5 or whatever you figure out it needs to be. The more precision you want, the more triangles you will need. Also, make sure you have the FS scenery settings to set to max mesh resolution.
his:

 

[GaryGB]

https://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/flattens-not-working.444834/post-817267

Can you elaborate it a little bit , due to my less knowledge about terrain files I didn't understand what you meant, sorry.

Hello:

For this airport:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chios_Island_National_Airport


...AFAIK, you must exclude and replace both default and add-on Hydro poly / shoreline CVX vectors adjacent to the area you wish to customize / modify.

It is also possible that you may need to exclude and replace the Airport Background Polygon(s) (aka "ABP") CVX vector(s) adjacent to the area you wish to customize / modify.


Examine in FS Terrain SDK TMFViewer:

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\dem0602.bgl

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\cvx5418.bgl



Jump to: N38.343056°, E 26.140556°

Zoom in, and note the vector object IDs for Hydro polys and shorelines, and perhaps ABPs ...to be excluded and replaced.


Correlate GUIDs of the terrain CVX vector objects with the info here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/microsoft-esp/cc707102(v=msdn.10)#the-shp2vec-tool

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/microsoft-esp/cc526968(v=msdn.10)


PS: I recommend that you review the terrain scenery tutorials by Luis Feliz-Tirado cited here:

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/how-to-make-an-island.440824/page-2#post-779922

...and here:

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/black-water-and-several-other-issues.440908/#post-779992


Hope this helps get you started.

GaryGB

 

[consta]

Hello:

For this airport:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chios_Island_National_Airport


...AFAIK, you must exclude and replace both default and add-on Hydro poly / shoreline CVX vectors adjacent to the area you wish to customize / modify.

It is also possible that you may need to exclude and replace the Airport Background Polygon(s) (aka "ABP") CVX vector(s) adjacent to the area you wish to customize / modify.


Examine in FS Terrain SDK TMFViewer:

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\dem0602.bgl

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\cvx5418.bgl



Jump to: N38.343056°, E 26.140556°

Zoom in, and note the vector object IDs for Hydro polys and shorelines, and perhaps ABPs ...to be excluded and replaced.


Correlate GUIDs of the terrain CVX vector objects with the info here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/microsoft-esp/cc707102(v=msdn.10)#the-shp2vec-tool

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/microsoft-esp/cc526968(v=msdn.10)


PS: I recommend that you review the terrain scenery tutorials by Luis Feliz-Tirado cited here:

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/how-to-make-an-island.440824/page-2#post-779922

...and here:

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/black-water-and-several-other-issues.440908/#post-779992


Hope this helps get you started.

GaryGB

I'll look into it , i tried observing the file but it didnt ring a bell . after observing like you said that i have to exclude and replace both default and add-on Hydro poly / shoreline CVX vectors . I dont really have any idea how i can exclude and replace the coastlines i opened the links you mentioned and the stuff is going over my head as i am pretty new to development its more like a give up situation for me . Is there any tutorial maybe in video form or not maybe ill have to find someone who can do it for me , thank you though for trying to help me out

 

[GaryGB]

Hi again:

For complex terrain CVX vector work with custom terrain, shorelines, land / water flattens, IMHO, you would be better able to achieve your goal with SBuilderX ...rather than with ADE.


BTW: Default AI / Ground Traffic requires perfectly 'level' flat terrain surfaces in order to operate properly.

So you would still need to use ADE to exclude and replace custom 'Approach' code for this airport with the default data.

Default AI / Ground Traffic 'could' be used if you also aligned the custom CVX vector flattens and airport navigable surfaces to the FSX / P3D default Altitudes and positions.



In SBuilderX:

You can "Exclude and Replace" default and custom FSX / P3D CVX vector scenery objects to achieve proper scenery display.


For example, the local default CVX vector BGL for your project area:

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\cvx5418.bgl


...can be decompiled via Patrick Germain's CvxExtractor into ESRI 'Shape' (aka "*.SHP") files.

Those ESRI *.SHP files exported by CvxExtractor can then be 'Appended' to a new empty project in SBuilderX.


SBuilderX can display Terrain SDK Quad LOD-9 / QMID-11 Grid Lines as a guide for placing 'Excludes' for local CVX vector:

* Hydro Polys (HP*.SHP)

* Hydro Shorelines (HL*.SHP)

* Flatten (FL*.SHP)

* Exclude (EX*.SHP) etc.


This would provide you with working copies inside SBuilderX, of the existing default CVX vector data which can be modified as needed, without having to create it all oneself.


You can also make changes to the above CVX vector objects 'Appended' as *.SHP files, over a precisely Geo-referenced photo-real imagery background, then output (1) or more 'Replacement' CVX vector BGLs to modify P3D scenery areas properly.

You can then compile the modified CVX vector objects (along with any desired new ones) into (1) or more replacement BGLs.


Before attempting to perform these tasks, you must study tutorials by Luis Feliz-Tirado for details on how to do this; of particular note would be information on "Excluding default terrain" in:

Terrain Design for Flight Simulator X

https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fsxsd&DLID=141643


GaryGB

 

[consta]

Hi again:

For complex terrain CVX vector work with custom terrain, shorelines, land / water flattens, IMHO, you would be better able to achieve your goal with SBuilderX ...rather than with ADE.


BTW: Default AI / Ground Traffic requires perfectly 'level' flat terrain surfaces in order to operate properly.

So you would still need to use ADE to exclude and replace custom 'Approach' code for this airport with the default data.

Default AI / Ground Traffic 'could' be used if you also aligned the custom CVX vector flattens and airport navigable surfaces to the FSX / P3D default Altitudes and positions.



In SBuilderX:

You can "Exclude and Replace" default and custom FSX / P3D CVX vector scenery objects to achieve proper scenery display.


For example, the local default CVX vector BGL for your project area:

[FSX install path]\Scenery\0602\scenery\cvx5418.bgl


...can be decompiled via Patrick Germain's CvxExtractor into ESRI 'Shape' (aka "*.SHP") files.

Those ESRI *.SHP files exported by CvxExtractor can then be 'Appended' to a new empty project in SBuilderX.


SBuilderX can display Terrain SDK Quad LOD-9 / QMID-11 Grid Lines as a guide for placing 'Excludes' for local CVX vector:

* Hydro Polys (HP*.SHP)

* Hydro Shorelines (HL*.SHP)

* Flatten (FL*.SHP)

* Exclude (EX*.SHP) etc.


This would provide you with working copies inside SBuilderX, of the existing default CVX vector data which can be modified as needed, without having to create it all oneself.


You can also make changes to the above CVX vector objects 'Appended' as *.SHP files, over a precisely Geo-referenced photo-real imagery background, then output (1) or more 'Replacement' CVX vector BGLs to modify P3D scenery areas properly.

You can then compile the modified CVX vector objects (along with any desired new ones) into (1) or more replacement BGLs.


Before attempting to perform these tasks, you must study tutorials by Luis Feliz-Tirado for details on how to do this; of particular note would be information on "Excluding default terrain" in:

Terrain Design for Flight Simulator X

https://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fsxsd&DLID=141643


GaryGB

Thank you very much Gary , you're a life saver . I followed the way you mentioned and the amazing tutorial by Luis Feliz-Tirado and now i have a understanding on how to flatten the areas and work with manipulating the default FSX terrain .

 

[GaryGB]

Looks like you are off to a good start with your terrain work !

GaryGB

 

[consta]

Hi , so after doing the flatten i shared the files with my friend to test them but for some reason it didnt work for him . the total flatten of the area worked but i shared the same afcad while with airport on 0 meters works for me while when he loads in the same afcad it doesnt work for him , the afcad area is elevated for him . any idea about that ? we are both using p3d v4.4

here is how it looks in his sim

 

[RED COOL]

1) I Love that sim object he is using XD
2) when you exported from ADE, it has put a file in your [SIM PATH]\scenery\world\scenery, that file called (it contains the ICAO code or project name so search for it )
3) get that file and share it with your friend and ask him to put it in the world\scenery folder to get same result

 

[consta]

1) I Love that sim object he is using XD
2) when you exported from ADE, it has put a file in your [SIM PATH]\scenery\world\scenery, that file called (it contains the ICAO code or project name so search for it )
3) get that file and share it with your friend and ask him to put it in the world\scenery folder to get same result

Oh alright thank you and haha it is Franz Luftfahrts Paramotor