my DC-8 Project

[Mr.FaosFX]

I will consider this to be my thread of updates. I was working on a DC-8 nose made out of splines but last night I made a fascinating discovery. I found high resolution 3 views for the very aircraft I am making, whoohoo!! I'm working in GIMP now rotating and adjusting them to get the views in to gmax.

I was working using photographs but this proved to be difficult, now I have the actual 3 views, now it should be easier and I should make progress quickly.

Check here for updates.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

Not much to show but this is how things turned out after spline madness all night long.

The tail and elevons are not final, I'm just throwing them in there to start to
give it some character and help to shape it up, I made delete and remodel them from scratch at any given point.

The fuselage needs a few tweaks, mainly at the rear.

The nose will undergo major work when I get some sleep today. I will bring in my spline work and integrate it into this design, shaping the windows and the nose as I go.

Here is a preview of the nose work.

Again, none of this is final, and this work will simply serve as a guide to shape the nose on the gmax file with the 3 views. I could spend a long time
on the nose before I say, yup ... I've got it.

Going to sleep now, tired!!

 

[liberty1]

This is just amazing work. Il be glad to test this baby out on my sim when its ready. Whats your outlook as in complexity for this aircraft Cause if you need help making repaints All though I know your are more then good at this. I can help you with some of the repaints and even the texture kit. Let me know Il show you my past texturing work.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

This is just amazing work. Il be glad to test this baby out on my sim when its ready. Whats your outlook as in complexity for this aircraft Cause if you need help making repaints All though I know your are more then good at this. I can help you with some of the repaints and even the texture kit. Let me know Il show you my past texturing work.

Thanks for that awesome offer, we can work together on that if you like when the time comes. I actually know how to paint, search my name on flightsim.com "Rafael Perez-Santana" you will see I have put out about 4 repaints, have a look if you like show me some that texture work you've done, I love to see that. The texture work is really what makes an aircraft worth looking at, its why people download so many repaints for this and that ... nobody would fly an untextured 777 but if you throw some textures on it and make a few liveries, it turns into eye candy.

Here is a 747 I repainted in ATI livery >>> http://flightsim.com/zview.php?cm=v....zip&an=Boeing+747-8F+ATI/picture1.png&idx=65

I welcome any help.

As for the complexity, hmmm...I plan to add a stairway truck that leads up to the front left door shift+e for the door and then shift+e+2 for the stair way truck, opening engine doors also
I guess but no more than this. Now as for the liveries, the first repaint I will make is definitely ATI, you can do some of the others or we can share them I guess? There are quite a number of
liveries for it but the designs are light.

Oh I almost forgot, I will making a fully detailed VC for it as well so I plan to release it with a heluva load of liveries, I guess if some of us
team up we can make lots of em, I want to release a full working package and I also plan to make every variant of the DC-8 I have all
the documentation for the different types and their differences........and all this will be free but I must say release is I cannot say maybe
during the summer of 2012 but this is yanking the chain it could be longer it could be less.

Now to bed!! ZZZzzz...

 

[Heretic]

This thread might be better off in the Showroom...


Well, once you're done with the -6x series, I'd like the source files for -7x series conversion.

 

[liberty1]

I cant help noticing that we have a lot in common only that you have a lot more modeling expierience then me. I liked you ATI repaint very nice and well painted. I can tell everything is done by hand.



Il PM you with links to my work and il add my skype in there so we can chat more often. It is truly a pleasure to meet you. I must bow then in honor to your work.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

This thread might be better off in the Showroom...


Well, once you're done with the -6x series, I'd like the source files for -7x series conversion.

Here is some info that might wet your appetite...

HISTORY:
First Flight (DC-8-10) 30 May 1958
(DC-8-71) April 1982
(DC-8-72) 5 December 1981
(DC-8-73) 4 March 1982
Service Entry

September 1959 (with Delta Air Lines and United Airlines)

CREW: three flight crew: pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer

PASSENGERS: (DC-8-10) 179
(DC-8-50) 189
(DC-8-63) 259

ESTIMATED COST:

unknown

AIRFOIL SECTIONS:
Wing Root DSMA-277/-280
Wing Tip

DSMA-281

DIMENSIONS:
Length (DC-8-10) 150.50 ft (45.90 m)
(DC-8-62) 157.42 ft (47.97 m)
(DC-8-63) 187.42 ft (57.12 m)
Wingspan (DC-8-10) 148.42 ft (45.24 m)
(DC-8-62) 154.42 ft (47.07 m)
Height 42.42 ft (12.93 m)
Wing Area 2,927 ft² (271.92 m²)
Canard Area

not applicable

WEIGHTS:
Empty (DC-8-63) 153,750 lb (69,740 kg)
(DC-8-73) 166,500 lb (75,500 kg)
Normal Takeoff unknown
Max Takeoff (DC-8-63) 350,000 lb (158,760 kg)
(DC-8-73) 355,000 lb (161,025 kg)
Fuel Capacity internal: unknown
external: not applicable
Max Payload

(DC-8-10) 34,360 lb (15,585 kg)
(DC-8-63F/CF) 116,000 lb (52.615 kg)
(DC-8-73) 105,820 lb (48,000 kg)

PROPULSION:
Powerplant (DC-8-10) four Pratt & Whitney JT3C-6 turbojets
(DC-8-30) four Pratt & Whitney JT4A-9 turbojets
(DC-8-40) four Rolls-Royce Conway 509 turbofans
(DC-8-63) four Pratt & Whitney JT3D-7 turbofans
(DC-8-73) four General Electric/SNECMA CFM56-2-C1 turbofans
Thrust (DC-8-10) 54,000 lb (240.21 kN)
(DC-8-30) 67,200 lb (298.93 kN)
(DC-8-40) 70,000 lb (311.39 kN)
(DC-8-63) 76,000 lb (338.08 kN)
(DC-8-73) 88,000 lb (391.46 kN)

PERFORMANCE:
Max Level Speed at altitude: 600 mph (965 km/h)
at sea level: unknown
cruise speed: 525 mph (840 km/h)
Initial Climb Rate unknown
Service Ceiling unknown
Range (DC-8-10) 4,160 nm (7,710 km)
(DC-8-63) 3,905 nm (7,240 km)
(DC-8-73) 4,830 nm (8,950 km)
g-Limits unknown

KNOWN VARIANTS:
DC-8 Series 10 Initial production model; 2 built
DC-8 Series 20 Similar to Series 10 but with more powerful engines for operation in hot or high-altitude conditions; 49 built
DC-8 Series 30 Long-range model and first designed for intercontinental operations; 52 built
DC-8 Series 40 Similar to Series 30 but equipped with more powerful Rolls-Royce engines; 29 built
DC-8 Series 50 Improved model with more powerful engines and revised cabin layout allowing 10 additional passengers to be seated, also featured new wing leading edge that reduced drag improving speed and range; 162 built
DC-8AF Jet Traders Freighter model of Series 50
DC-8CF Jet Traders Convertible cargo/passenger model of Series 50
DC-8 Super 60 Generic designation for three new models described below, all three available in passenger only (DC-8-6_), cargo only (DC-8-6_F), or combination cargo/passenger (DC-8-6_CF) variants; 262 built
DC-8 Super 61 Enlarged model with extended fuselage for up to 259 passengers
DC-8 Super 62 Long-range model with lengthened fuselage for greater fuel capacity but still carrying 189 passengers, also featured larger wingspan
DC-8 Super 63 Final production model combining enlarged fuselage of the Super 61 with new wing and other aerodynamic improvements of the Super 62
DC-8 Super 71 Super 61 airframes equipped with new more fuel efficient GE/SNECMA turbofans allowing much improved range and meeting noise regulations
DC-8 Super 72 Super 62 airframes equipped with new engines
DC-8 Super 73 Super 63 airframes equipped with new engines
EC-24 Former United Airlines DC-8-54F modified to simulate enemy communications and control systems and used by the US Navy; 1 converted

KNOWN OPERATORS:
Civil Absa Cargo
AECA
Aeral
Aero del Peru
Aeromar Airlines
Aéromaritime
Aeromexico
Aeronaves del Peru
Aero Peru
Aerouruguay
Aer Turas Teoranta
Affretair
African Air Charter
African International Airways
Agro Air International
Air Afrique
Air Algerie
Airborne Express
Air Canada
Air Cargo Spain
Air d'Evasions
Air Evasion
Air France
Air Gabon
Air Gabon Cargo
Air India
Airlift International
Air New Zealand
Air Outre Mer (AOM)
Air Spain
Air Sweden
Air Transport International (ATI)
Air Zaire
Alitalia
Americana Colombia
American International
American Jet Industries
Analinda Airlines
Andes Airlines
Apisa Air Cargo
Arax Airlines
ARCA Colombia
Arnaflug
Arrow Air
ATC Colombia
Aviaco
Batch Air
Bax Global
Braniff Airways
Buffalo Airways
Burlington Air Express
Cam Air International
Cameroon Airlines
Canarias Cargo
Capitol Air International
Cargo Lion
Cargolux
CargOman
Cargosur
Concord International
Conner Air Lines
Continental Cargo Airlines
Contract Cargo Airlines
Cougar Air Cargo International
CP Air
CTA Espana
Cubana
Cygnus Air
Cyprus Airways
Delta Air Lines
Eagle Air
Eastern Airlines
Emery Worldwide Airlines
Evergreen International Airlines
Excelair
Faucett Peru
Fine Air
Florida West International Airlines
Flying Tiger Line
Fuerza Aerea del Peru
Garuda Indonesia
German Cargo
IAS Cargo Airlines
Iberia
Icelandair
Imperial Airlines
Interamericana de Aviacion
Intercontinental Airlines
Hawaiian Air
Japan Air Lines
Jet Aviation
Jet Fret
Kalitta American International
Kitty Hawk International
KLM - Royal Dutch Airlines
LAC Colombia
Lan Chile
Liberia World Airlines
Lignes Aeriennes Congolaises
Loftleidir
Maldives International
MAS Air Cargo
Million Air
Minerve
MK Airlines
MK Cargo
Murray Air
Nationair Canada
National Airlines
Omega Air
Overseas International Airways
Panair do Brazil
Pan American World Airways (Pan Am)
Philippine Airlines
Point Air Mulhouse
Pomair Ostend
Quebecair
Response Air
Rosenbalm Aviation
SAS Scandinavian Airlines
Saudia
Scanair
Seaboard World
Secmafair Aviation
Southern Air Transport
Spantax
Swissair
Summit Philippines
Surinam Airways
Tampa Colombia
Thai International
TMC Airlines
TPI International Airways
Trabajos Aereos y Enlaces (TAE)
Trafe
Transafrik
Transamerica
Trans Canada
Trans Caribbean
Trans Continental Airlines
Trans International
Transmeridian Air Cargo
Transportes Charter do Brasil
Transports Aériens Intercontinentaux (TAI)
Transvalair
Union Aéromaritime de Transport (UAT)
United African Airlines
United Air Carriers
United Airlines
United Parcel Service (UPS)
UTA
Varig
Viasa
Wien Air Alaska
World Airways
Zaire International Cargo
Zambia Airways
Zantop International Airlines
Zuliana de Aviacion
Government/Military France, Armée de l'Air (French Air Force)
Gabon, Armée de l'Air Gabonaise (Gabon Air Force)
Spain, Ejército del Aire Española (Spanish Air Force)
Togo, Force Aérienne Togolaise (Togolese Air Force)
United States (US Navy)

Look at the known operators... yes we have SEVERAL liveries to paint when this is done, lol.

Note that I'm starting with the largest of the models, once I have the basic fuselage model and nose and wing root,
I will start the conversion process towards a DC-8-10, I know only two were built but I'm throwing them in there then I just
keep ascending 20,30,40,50,60 ... modeling the different types of fuselage lengths and wing modifications. I have yet more
documentation that explains in detail the modifications to each type as well as enough information to construct an FDE (.Air) file.

I purchased AirWrench last week, so we shall see how this massive project turns up and Liberty, when the time is right we can
start texture, I can let you create the master textures if you like but I am more than capable for doing that. However, two heads
are better than one!

 

[liberty1]

when the time is right we can
start texture, I can let you create the master textures if you like but I am more than capable for doing that. However, two heads
are better than one!

I mean the upside is that I can make them with all the weathering and texturing on a global paintkit and all we have to do is repaint the liveries on them and then cut them out of the paint kit and put them in the corresponding maps. Once that is done its fast to make the liveries.

Il send you me all my contact info so we can stay more in touch.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

Ok I'm taking a break from this and going outside to breathe some air but all I can say is, I am very excited. When I started this project, I figured this was going to be one of those I lost motivation on and forgot about but I've been persistent and seize to give up on this.

After all the fooling around, the darn thing starts looking like a DC-8!! Unfornately, messing around with the windows, I've screwed them up but
with time I can fix them, I must fix them first before I attempt to complete attachment of the nose and surface around that area.

Finally looking like a DC-8 nose.

My lord it's finally starting to look like a DC-8. I have to keep working hard
on this!!

Well, I am done for the day ... got some brake pads to install in my crappy 2000 chevy impala and as I said, this will give me time to see the real world and breathe in some fresh air, later folks.

 

[Heretic]

...

I'm no stranger to the -8.

In fact a pic of a -30 or -50 graces my desktop.



If this project is to remain freeware, I could help out.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

I'm no stranger to the -8.

In fact a pic of a -30 or -50 graces my desktop.



If this project is to remain freeware, I could help out.

It will be 100% freeware.

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

I did a side by side comparison with a photo I found, I scaled the photo down and roated it just a bit to see if it would match with my model in gmax. To my surprise...

That is awesome and the windows seem to be in place some what, I believe that the cockpit window at fault is the main front one which seems overly large.

Can somebody please pick up the later? That is a safety hazard!

 

[liberty1]

Nice very creative. I like how its coming out

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

Nice very creative. I like how its coming out

Last update for the night or should I say morning?

Nose cone area almost fully attached, still working out the details. Cockpit windows fixed, still need more work but they have been cut out, I can cap holes them back in if anything...

The updates will slow down now, I'll work on the nose until it is completed.

To check all my work, I did the most suspense heart pounding event ... an EXPORT TEST ... you know when you work on an aircraft for a while
and you export it only to find out you used the mirror tool instead of the mirror modifier? OUCH.

The export was a success, I had sweat running down my neck when I did this [well not really but you get the idea]. I couldn't imagine starting over from scratch!!

fx out, night folks.

 

[liberty1]

Very nice I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_oC-ijfQkA browsing around while i took some fresh air. My winglet is finally taking shape. post some pics later

 

[Heretic]

It will be 100% freeware.

Excellent!

Well, if you need a hand, gimme a shout.

 

[Southwest]

Fantastic work, been after a model of the DC-8 ever since I saw the Just Planes MK Airlines DVD!

 

[Mr.FaosFX]

I did not know the rear wheels swivel, very interesting! Looks like I need to stretch the small cockpit windows at the top a little higher, mine seem small and I got a first look at the wing cross-section, altho I could not get the airfoil shape, it is something I will have to guess at by looking at photos. :/ I have the airfoil profile for the elevons and tail but not for the wing if anyone can help, greatly appreciated.

I spent $25 on a cut away drawing last week, its pretty nice and has lots of detail but of the innards of the wing which, is what I hopped to see.

And finally I know what those intake holes are for at the nose, who would have thought they were the AC packs! Now I should construct them with
honor on my model and not neglect them, it is what gives the DC-8 it's most unique appearance.

 

[n4gix]

Apparently, the DC-8 series you're interested in used a proprietary system for classification of their airfoils, unlike most manufacturers who adopted the NACA system.

DSMA-277/-280 is the designation for the airfoil. A careful Google search might yield some further data, but a quick look by me didn't yield anything...

 

[Heretic]

And finally I know what those intake holes are for at the nose, who would have thought they were the AC packs! Now I should construct them with honor on my model and not neglect them, it is what gives the DC-8 it's most unique appearance.

On the -70s, the AC intakes are partially covered up (for whatever reasons). You might want to consider this once you start with that version.


- Edit:

Look what popped up at Avsim today...

Category: Flight Simulator X - Sounds
New! Douglas DC-8-63 P&W JT3D-7 Sound Pack ZipDive! Download

File Description:
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