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Sorry folks. But this has been a lump in my throat.

I've been researching the Super Chipmunk for months. So far I've gotten over 200mb of reference material. This projects ready to be a done deal aside from the sounds & gauges.

My friend Dave has ZERO experience with the simulator (modeling I mean) He's tried. And he's gotten VERY frustrated due to the fact that people who *do know* how to to model don't want to help. I can't understand this bull-headedness. Someone wants to better the flight sim experience for everyone, ( no charge for his services mind you ) but no one shares what they know. I've tried FSdeveloper. Supposedly that's where all the GURU's hang out that are supposed to know how to do things of this nature. I can't even get answers there.

Just to clear the air. I know the same people come here to watch what's going on. They'll see this thread. To be honest I hope they read this. Because I've the impression that they all feel threatened from someone that's new to the developing scene. What is this Fsdeveloper site? Why has it been made so anyone can join when the people don't share what they know? My opinion. If they don't want to share knowledge openly, then make the place BY INVITE ONLY.

I must apologize. But ....it's utterly ridiculous!!

By the way. Rick Piper has made a beautiful chipmunk. As good - better than anyone I know that does models. I feel he should be the one to create the Super. If he was willing to share the source files with someone who had the reference material, a new, great plane would be born!!


OK......I've said more than enough. I won't be surprised if this reply gets deleted.

Sincerely, and honestly..


Dave...via Dusty
 
Dusty.M.J said:
My friend Dave has ZERO experience with the simulator (modeling I mean) He's tried. And he's gotten VERY frustrated due to the fact that people who *do know* how to to model don't want to help.
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Well, you have to be the FIRST person to ever post about getting no help at FSDeveloper.

Can you be more specific? You make a charge, and yet offer no specificity. I have never had any problem getting information here at FSDev. If you can name specific info you wanted, and was REFUSED TO YOU, that would be a start.

By the way. Rick Piper has made a beautiful chipmunk. As good - better than anyone I know that does models. I feel he should be the one to create the Super. If he was willing to share the source files with someone who had the reference material, a new, great plane would be born!!
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Ah, the cat is out of the bag. Do you all want source files, or do you want modelling assistance?

Getting source files, that is up to Mr. Piper. Why not ask him, instead of posting non-specific charges about getting no help at FSDEv?
 
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Well, you have to be the FIRST person to ever post about getting no help at FSDeveloper.

Can you be more specific? You make a charge, and yet offer no specificity. I have never had any problem getting information here at FSDev. If you can name specific info you wanted, and was REFUSED TO YOU, that would be a start.



Ah, the cat is out of the bag. Do you all want source files, or do you want modelling assistance?

Getting source files, that is up to Mr. Piper. Why not ask him, instead of posting non-specific charges about getting no help at FSDEv?
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I hope this makes sense:

As for my "charge". I've made posts in reference here on the board. Try a search maybe for posts by me. It seems that Felix is the "only" one willing to help. Which I DO appreciate.

Sorry ...but the "cat" out of the bag is nothing new. As I stated. Rick Piper did a great model and he has the source to create a great Super Chipmunk. The subjects came up a few times that I've found by doing searches related to it on the internet..

I personally am not "asking" for the source to modify. If Rick saw this request (in the past) on the internet and in other forums, I'm sure he himself (could've / would've) created it if he had time. My point is that Rick hasn't been active in the modeling scene recently. So, I was "trying" to have a friend of mine do the model. But, my friend uses MAYA and doesn't have a clue (as/to) the procedures/steps to get it to FSDS or Gmax compatibility. He can do the model no problem. But, he has no clue how to get it exported ( to what ) to break it down to FS standards. This part of the process is a major hurdle due to Microsoft and their old methods.

This would be a great model for the flightsim.
 
It seems to me that the problem here is that the modeller wishes to use MAYA which is not directly compatible with FS which uses FSDS, GMax Or 3DS.

The fact that nobody but Felix has been in discussion is more to do with the lack of knowledge of MAYA than the lack of wanting to assist. Which is hardly surprising since MAYA is not used for FS.

Since the modeller is up against the system used by Microsoft for modelling, it seems rather churlish, to say the least, to direct criticism towards FSDeveloper.
 
I suspect that your impression that there are many plane developers who use Maya is simply wrong.

When there are few people (if any) with the knowledge you get few answers. When people see you are already getting SOME answers to your questions why should they add to it when they can't really offer anything helpful?

And I find it a bit strange you accept your friend does not want to ask questions, yet you get angry because you (most likely wrongly) assume people do "not want to reply". It just doesn't make sense that you expect more from other developers than you expect from your friend who is the one needing the help.
 
Dave,

You posted one other thread, where Felix replied. I see Felix trying to steer you and your master modeler in the correct direction, but your master modeler doesn't want to go there. Hummmm?

So in about three days time frame you have now deemed this site and it's members some sort of cliqueish organization, that welcomes no new members and only serves to pass the crumbs of knowledge amongst those lucky enough to be part of the clique. Hummmmm?

I know next to nothing about modeling, but I'll share what I do know. So here goes, if your master modeler can't accept that Flight Simulator requires a different method of working then he's accustom to, then we Thank him and you for stopping by!

Leave the door open on your way out, because there may be someone new who shows up and appreciates whatever help they get, rather then having an expectation that the world must come to a halt while their problems are dealt with.
 
while I suppose I'm piling on....this site is pretty cool becuase people help avidly whenever they can, and if they can't help they don't waste anyone's time with guesswork.

Kind of the mark of a really useful site.

If you ask a question that can't be answered, getting no answer is predetermined!

Have Dave begin to use gmax, and answers will be plentiful.

Meanwhile, I hope you appreciate the kindness of people here, as I suspect people will still make an effort to answer good questions, even thou you've been mean to all of us without cause.

Bob
 
let's all take a deep breath.

Most of the time, when "no one" responds to a post, it's because of unfamiliarity with the specific issue, NOT, goodness knows, because no one wants to help, ESPECIALLY at FSdeveloper.com!!!!


It can be (heck, it IS) frustrating when there's an post that goes unanswered for hours, days, ...... :)

The flightsim modelling community has been and continues to be very helpful, if not (blatant plug warning) sites like Freeflight Design Shop (only 10 years serving the flight sim modelling community this April 4th) would not be in existence offering source files, other resources, and most especially, the forums where modellers of ALL abilities and levels freely exchange their knowledge.

Unfortunately, over the years, the flightsim modelling program have been few, and only two FSDS and gmax(max) have survived the various FS versions. gmax/Max are supported directly by ACES and FSDS usually lags a bit in supporting the latest features, mainly because the features have to first be dissected, understood, and the program revised.

Flightsim modelling is frustrating for anyone not using one of the "standard" programs (FSDS, max/gmax) because they have to jump through even more hoops just to get to the x file needed.

I can undestand the original poster's frustration, but I do want to restate and emphasize that the flightsim design community is one of the most helpful and friendly communities around, and fsdeveloper.com is one of the best (almost as friendly as FFSD is, but then, I'm biased :) )
 
An apology

First off, I apologize for my manners in which I "popped".

I don't know, I guess I was just expecting something immediately to happen to resolve the problems my buddy Dave is having with the relationship of modeling for FS. Just listening to him he's all flustered. He wants to do the model for me. Because we're good friends. And, I'd really like to see it happen because it's always been one of my favorites in the radio control world. I can see where I'm not helping matters much having to play the middle man either. Trying to get answers I no nothing about to begin with.

Did I mention that I'm a green horn to the flight sim? Well, I am. About 2 months ago I knew nothing about it or what the heck I was doing. All I did know was .....I was really enjoying it and wanted to get into it more. I figured for the amount of money I've got invested in R/C, it would be nice for the times when I can't go flying outside during inclement weather.

I apologize to everyone here.


Sincerely,

Dusty
 
Fair enough, Dusty.

Have Dave post in the gmax forum, and he'll get some help. And don't worry about his level of frustration... work on your own. :D

Locking the thread.

Dick
 
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