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I am trying to find the Navaids associated to a stock FSX airport (CYSB - Sudbury).

They do not display when the FSX stock file is opened. The ILS displays (although the glidepath is on the wrong side of the runway) but I can not find the NDBs or VOR.

The VOR is actually located on the airfield it just doesn't show when the bgl file is opened.

Are there other files somewhere that contain these items? A search of the forums brings up some information for FS9 but nothing for FSX.

I am asking because I am rebuilding the airport (from scratch) and have added the VOR and 2 NDBs co-located with the airport, in my airport file. Is it necessary for me to do this or can I just delete them from my airport file if they are located in another file?

I am assuming that it is necessary for me to include the ILS with my new file as it does show up in the stock FSX CYSB.bgl file.
 
DougD said:
I am trying to find the Navaids associated to a stock FSX airport (CYSB - Sudbury).

They do not display when the FSX stock file is opened. The ILS displays (although the glidepath is on the wrong side of the runway) but I can not find the NDBs or VOR.

The VOR is actually located on the airfield it just doesn't show when the bgl file is opened.

Are there other files somewhere that contain these items? A search of the forums brings up some information for FS9 but nothing for FSX.

I am asking because I am rebuilding the airport (from scratch) and have added the VOR and 2 NDBs co-located with the airport, in my airport file. Is it necessary for me to do this or can I just delete them from my airport file if they are located in another file?

I am assuming that it is necessary for me to include the ILS with my new file as it does show up in the stock FSX CYSB.bgl file.
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They should show up if they are included in the bgl file. Can you check to see if they are set to be displayed? Under the Display menu there are menu options for displaying VORs and NDBs, it is possible that they are turned off. If that's the case, make sure they are checked.

-Russell
 
Thanks for the reply.

There is a check in the appropriate boxes but still nothing showing up.

Would there be any reason the Glidepath for the ILS shows up on the wrong side of the runway (right side on approach) in the stock file while it shows up on the proper side (left side on approach) for the one I am creating?
 
DougD said:
Thanks for the reply.

There is a check in the appropriate boxes but still nothing showing up.

Would there be any reason the Glidepath for the ILS shows up on the wrong side of the runway (right side on approach) in the stock file while it shows up on the proper side (left side on approach) for the one I am creating?
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I don't have access to FSX right now so I can't check the airport.

However, as for the ILS, did you add the ILS for the airport you are creating? Perhaps it is just placed incorrectly in the stock airport?

-Russell
 
Both the ILS and NDB/VOR are present in the stock file. AFX and ADE display them correctly.
 
rf360m said:
However, as for the ILS, did you add the ILS for the airport you are creating? Perhaps it is just placed incorrectly in the stock airport?

-Russell
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Yes I added it and it shows correctly. Was just wondering why it displays incorrectly in the stock airport. Not a big problem - just one of those things that make you wonder I guess.

Golf-DeltaHotel said:
Both the ILS and NDB/VOR are present in the stock file. AFX and ADE display them correctly.
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Thanks - was hoping not to have to use YET ANOTHER program to do this. There must be some reason they don't show up in FSX Planner.
 
DougD said:
Yes I added it and it shows correctly. Was just wondering why it displays incorrectly in the stock airport. Not a big problem - just one of those things that make you wonder I guess.



Thanks - was hoping not to have to use YET ANOTHER program to do this. There must be some reason they don't show up in FSX Planner.
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I'll check it this evening when I have FSX available. I'll let you know what the issue is.

-Russell
 
I haved looked at this airport and can't find the VOR you are referring to. There is an NDB, which is located outside the airport test radius, but I can't see a VOR. The decompiled BGL data doesn't show it as far as I can see. I looked at it in both FSX Planner and ADE and it doesn't show up in either of them. I don't have AFX, so can't test with that, but am curious as to where they are getting this data from.

Looking in FSX, there is a VOR scenery object near the runway. I assume this must be in another bgl file, as I can't find it in the APX bgl file. If I find anything I'll let you know.

-Russell
 
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The mystery continues.

If I place the two NDBs and VOR in the new airport file I create, will they 'take over' from the ones that are somewhere in the Stock map?
 
Ok, more info on this. I have identified where the missing scenery object is. Now I just need to read it properly and then it should be displayed.

-Russell
 
Thanks - I look forward to finding out why they don't display in FSX Planner.

Now, if FSX Planner could delete trees that would be nice as well.
 
Just out of curiosity, what does a NDB or VOR have to do with enhancing a Airport built from scratch or other wise using any Utility such as FSXP, AFX, ADE, AFCAD?
 
Believing I understand your question correctly, my response is that it is awfully hard to do an instrument approach without one or the other (preferably both).

And since I am not privy to the complete construction process of FSX, I do not know what affect replacing the stock airport will have on the associated Navigation Aids. So if I include them in the new airport file, I know for sure they are there and whether or not they are working.

FSX Planner has the capability of placing these NavAids into airport .xml and subsequently .bgl files so they are added here.

In some respects they are added for much the same reason as adding runways when an airport is built. You pretty much need them.
 
Ok, we have figured this one out. The VOR is now showing up properly. This fix will be included in the next update.

-Russell
 
That's great - thanks.

Does that also apply to NDBs?

And finally - to repeat from earlier, will the new ones I create in the new file 'overwrite' the originals or cause any conflict?
 
DougD said:
That's great - thanks.

Does that also apply to NDBs?

And finally - to repeat from earlier, will the new ones I create in the new file 'overwrite' the originals or cause any conflict?
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This includes VORs, NDBs or other navigational aids, as well as some scenery objects, windsocks and triggers.

In order to overwrite the originals you would have to use the appropriate exclusion rectangle or delete flag. However, as there is not a specific delete flag or exclusion rectangle for a VOR or NDB, I am not sure if these will be deleted or not. Perhaps one of the airport gurus here could answer that?

-Russell
 
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