P3D v5 About length of the airport

[Karlsplatz]

Hi everyone, I have a question about ADE of P3D.
I am sorry if this question is already posted.

As well known, there is slope on the Runway.
In ADE, the length of runway which appear in the edit box is the true length of the runway, or the length seen from sky?

When I edit v5 with ADE, the length of the RWY is not same as of the v4 one.

Thanks

 

[scruffyduck]

The length of runway specified is the actual physical length

 

[Karlsplatz]

scruffyduck

Thank you for your information
Just confirm, if there is the runway in the picture, I have to enter runway length "3000/cos3%m" ?

 

[scruffyduck]

So you are looking at a runway in top down view to determine the correct length? Published airport data should give the absolute runway length and altitude

 

[tgibson]

Jon, I think his question is if he makes a runway 3000 ft at a 10 degree angle, will the runway in FS be 3000 ft long or a (say) 3010 feet long because it's on a slope? In the latter case the length would *appear* to be 3000 ft if viewed from directly above.

 

[scruffyduck]

I am still struggling with this. The length of a runway is defined in airport reference documents and that is the length it should be set. If the runway is viewed from above and is on a slope then it will 'appear' shorter but I say again that the runway length on the ground is that specified on airport reference documents.

 

[Karlsplatz]

Sorry for my reply delayed.

Jon, I think his question is if he makes a runway 3000 ft at a 10 degree angle, will the runway in FS be 3000 ft long or a (say) 3010 feet long because it's on a slope? In the latter case the length would *appear* to be 3000 ft if viewed from directly above.

Yes, its what I am want to say. Thanks for explanation

If the runway is viewed from above and is on a slope then it will 'appear' shorter but I say again that the runway length on the ground is that specified on airport reference documents.

Yes, its definitely true about this thing, and I checked chart. The strip dimension length is 1620m (from above, its 1500m). But when I set ADE runway length 1620, the runway image is longer than real photo. Maybe its the problem of complicated slope (please check attach chart image), but I do not know how to fix it. Is there another sled similar for my problem?

 

[tgibson]

What happens if you set the length to 1500m?

 

[scruffyduck]

Well if you are trying to match the real length on the slope to the length seen on the satellite image then sure it is going to appear longer. I have no idea what you should do. It seems either match the runway to the image in which case it will be too short on the ground or use the correct length on the ground and it will appear too long against the image.

 

[Karlsplatz]

What happens if you set the length to 1500m?

Runway become little shorter than satellite image (in the attachment picture).

Well if you are trying to match the real length on the slope to the length seen on the satellite image then sure it is going to appear longer. I have no idea what you should do. It seems either match the runway to the image in which case it will be too short on the ground or use the correct length on the ground and it will appear too long against the image.

So put the runway, and check FS using FSconnect is the best way to put the runway best position?
And is it able to edit runway ground slope degrees to adjust real with ADE or other tools?

 

[Tim Collins]

The official length of any runway is the generally the distance across the ground found using surveying devices, so it will take account of any slopes. However, the difference between that and the length calculated froma top-down photo will be very small - with a very few notable exceptions, runway slopes aren't sufficient to make much difference. To get a difference of 120m (~7%) on a 1500m runway just isn't credible. For that reason, I'd question the source and application of the top-down photo you're using in ADE. I suspect that's the cause of your issues.

 

[Karlsplatz]

I'd question the source and application of the top-down photo you're using in ADE.

I use google earth photo cut out by FSET.

To get a difference of 120m (~7%) on a 1500m runway just isn't credible.

Unless my misreading chart, there is correct length of the runway.
Photo is the more detailed info about runway.

 

[scruffyduck]

unless I am misreading this it says the runway is 1500m The strip length (not sure what that means but is assume the area on which the runway sits is 1620m

 

[Md Alavi]

I am still struggling with this. The length of a runway is defined in airport reference documents and that is the length it should be set. If the runway is viewed from above and is on a slope then it will 'appear' shorter but I say again that the runway length on the ground is that specified on airport reference documents.

Hi is there any documentation about adding sloped runways using ADE

 

[Karlsplatz]

Hi is there any documentation about adding sloped runways using ADE

As the range I know, there isnt. It may exist same topic sled in this forum. As I know, there is a sled about disappear of runway slope. But I have not viewed sled about adding slope in runway.

unless I am misreading this it says the runway is 1500m The strip length (not sure what that means but is assume the area on which the runway sits is 1620m

I agree your reading about the length of the runway. So it is true what you said that runway become longer than satellite photo.
So it becomes the main problem is match simulator into real condition of the runway. (including add the slope into the runway)

If someone have idea, please give me.

 

[Tim Collins]

Sorry for my reply delayed.



Yes, its what I am want to say. Thanks for explanation



Yes, its definitely true about this thing, and I checked chart. The strip dimension length is 1620m (from above, its 1500m). But when I set ADE runway length 1620, the runway image is longer than real photo. Maybe its the problem of complicated slope (please check attach chart image), but I do not know how to fix it. Is there another sled similar for my problem?

You can measure the distances in Google Maps. The overall measured length of the runway (including the blastpads) is 1620m. The measured length between the thresholds is 1500m. This is the declared runway length. So Jon is absolutely correct. There is no distortion due to slope or projection. The average slope of about 0.4% (12ft difference in elevation from one end to the other) means there is no significant difference in length from a totally flat runway. The stock airport in P3D has the correct lengths - 1500m runway with 60m blastpads at each end (total 1620m). If your import from FSET doesn't match the stock runway, in this case there is something wrong with your imported image. I would carefully check the Lat/Longs you have entered to get your image into ADE.