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P3D v4 crash

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Is P3d4.4 known to crash to blue screen? ergo- corrupted somewhere and computer needs to restart?
 
Blue screen is typically a low level failure, such as a memory stick going bad, a flawed hardware driver, low level. Software running, like Prepar3D isn't typically capable of causing a blue screen crash. Your blue screen usually has a "reason" displayed when it's doing a reset... does yours?
 
The blue screen never gives a reason. (Microsoft for ya hahaha) It only says.... 'oops. something went wrong. we are collecting info and will restart your computer for you. ' Looked for error logs but didn't find anything. Now and then my machine is kind of slow, but usually fast. It is a pretty quick machine, but I wonder, even though it says it has 18 gigs mem sticks. could they be intermittently bad?
 
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The blue screen never gives a reason.
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Actually, it always gives a reason. If you do not want to squint to see, "critical process has died, " or whatever your particular cryptic code is, you can download a QR Code reader, then the next time it blue screens, you can snap a picture of the QR code and that will link your phone to a web page describing the extremely technical details of exactly what caused the crash. Same thing with a numeric "stop code," if you get one of those instead of the little three word message, you can Google the hash and it will tell you things, even Google has to endure bsod. The reason it only happens while you are playing P3D is not because P3D causes it, it is because when you play P3D, that is the only time you are stressing it.

In other words, "do you have a cat?" If so, your problem is almost certainly a failed fan, or a clogged cooling radiator. I keep one of those HEPA air purifiers strapped to the outside of my new PC, the old one was literally plastered with a stucco like combination of dog hair, dust and just enough atomized cooking grease to bind it all together.

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Probably as Rick indicates. Cleaning the inside of the PC might help. Also. maybe point a fan at the PC to help cooling.
 
Good advice, but I just got it back from the shop and it is clean... cleaned again anyway. But here's info I just experienced, Of course P3D froze, but I think my FSX would have too. After reboot, I open any program or game, computer takes forever to respond. Next time I use the same program it opens faster.... and so on.

I feel no extra heat. All seems well there. go to internet like a news channel or FaceBook and Firefox takes forever to load them. Next time it goes faster and each time faster yet. (any browser would do this I think).

As I continue to use my machine it gets faster until everything seems normal.

I might then get away with using P3D again... once. I agree this seems to be computer related, not P3D related. I could try p3d repair. Can I load the installer and it will give me a choice to repair?

If I get sent to the blue screen, there is no way to take any snapshot. It stays up only momentarily anyway.

After reboot it seems (not sure) to help to go to task manager (forever for it to open right after reboot) and restart windows explorer.


It seems I am running on cashe mem only (short term ram?)

I did take a couple of screenshot yesterday.
 

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jyarddog said:
Good advice, but I just got it back from the shop and it is clean... cleaned again anyway. But here's info I just experienced, Of course P3D froze, but I think my FSX would have too. After reboot, I open any program or game, computer takes forever to respond. Next time I use the same program it opens faster.... and so on.

I feel no extra heat. All seems well there. go to internet like a news channel or FaceBook and Firefox takes forever to load them. Next time it goes faster and each time faster yet. (any browser would do this I think).

As I continue to use my machine it gets faster until everything seems normal.

I might then get away with using P3D again... once. I agree this seems to be computer related, not P3D related. I could try p3d repair. Can I load the installer and it will give me a choice to repair?

If I get sent to the blue screen, there is no way to take any snapshot. It stays up only momentarily anyway.

After reboot it seems (not sure) to help to go to task manager (forever for it to open right after reboot) and restart windows explorer.


It seems I am running on cashe mem only (short term ram?)

I did take a couple of screenshot yesterday.
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Looks like you have a page file on your C drive. Given that it's a HDD and you have 16gb of physical memory, I would get rid of it if I were you. Else, your HDD is being used as an extension to your physical memory and can cause things like boot times and loading times to increase. That would be one of the reasons why the C drive is showing 100% utilization. Although I doubt this is the cause of your bluescreen, it still would be worth changing.

The other thing I notice is that your USB drive is at 100%, hopefully there aren't any system or program files on that as you'll be burdened with slow load times. Something worth checking.

As for the blue screening, i'd try get the error code via event viewer, it should come pre installed.

I would also recommend downloading a software such as "speccy" so that you can view the temperatures of all the components. The temperature of the air exiting the exhaust fans isn't really enough to tell you if something's wrong- If something's not being cooled properly, its heat won't be expelled through the exhaust fans. Counter-intuitively, if the air exiting the exhaust fans is cooler than it should be, there's probably a temperature issue somewhere.
 
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At 16gb, I personally would consider that a memory-starved system. Especially if you're trying to run something like Prepar3D which is definitely a memory demanding application.

At any rate, I would recommend finding a good memory testing program and test your memory cards. I can also recommend you take a moment to remove them and then re-seat them to ensure they are in solid. Same goes for your video card (I assume you're running a PCIe slotted video card).

Over time, heat expansion and cooling contraction can move memory cards and PCI expansion cards around.

I just checked Prepar3D v4's system requirements... it wants 16gb... and that is ON TOP OF whatever memory the OS is going to need.
 
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At 16gb, I personally would consider that a memory-starved system. Especially if you're trying to run something like Prepar3D which is definitely a memory demanding application.
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Respectfully, I would disagree, on my system, I find that P3DV4 never draws more than 12GB of memory. And that's at near-max settings with hundreds of addons.

However, you're right, in my opinion, it's certainly worth reseating your devices if software-based solutions fail- it can be a bit of a faff.
 
All good ideas. I just now ran the hell out of FSX with no problems at all. I am going to try running P3d 4.4 without dynamic lighting, lower frame rate limit o video card, and disable some of my sceneries. Who knows, I might have a conflicting scenery somewhere. Just checked for fs9 traffic files, none found. will advise.
 
BTW- usb's I have are being use by 1. mouse, 2. keyboard,printer which is off right now, 3. open usb which I use for a mem stick (thumb drive)

I have my msii p3d installer If I point it to where my p3d is now, will it overwrite everything or will it ask if I want to repair? i.e. How do I repair p3d?
 
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Respectfully, I would disagree, on my system, I find that P3DV4 never draws more than 12GB of memory. And that's at near-max settings with hundreds of addons.

However, you're right, in my opinion, it's certainly worth reseating your devices if software-based solutions fail- it can be a bit of a faff.
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So.. 12gb for the sim... 4gb for the OS... which doesn't include any software you've added to your system that runs in the system tray and/or background (antivirus, etc). Like I said.. I find it memory-starved.
 
This only seems to occur during using P3d. I have had P3/d for years. This has been happening only for the last couple of months or less. Maybe I have a conflicting afcad or something.
 
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This only seems to occur during using P3d. I have had P3/d for years. This has been happening only for the last couple of months or less. Maybe I have a conflicting afcad or something.
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Well I would start by using event viewer to check what the error is. I can show you how if you haven't used it before?
 
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oh, my P3D 4.4 is on my D drive, not C drive. i will go find event viewer. If I can't remember I will come back here, and thanx for your help... all of ya.
 
found many errors and warnings. One was msi installer.... I almost did a p3d install but stopped just before I was going to. checked defrag- 0% all drives. Attachment of some events.
Need to know how to repair p3d instead of complete install.
 

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Look, I know you're being told I'm wrong regarding memory starvation... however, I will point out on your first screenshot in post #6 that your C drive is at 100% utilization... A mouseover on the C drive bar in the left-hand stack would provide a description of what the bar represents: "Percentage of time the disk is processing read or write requests" Your screen shot shows it at 100%. That tells me it's beating the ever-lovin hound dog out of your system's swap file.
 
Your opinion is vital and good. I have no idea how to fix the swap file or whatever. Could this be a Win 10 corruption?
 
No... you need more memory. No one likes hearing that, but simply going from 16 to 32 would increase your performance to pretty much eliminate swap file usage for most things. If you delete the swap file, you will probably get out of memory errors.

Because the swap file is being hit so hard, you may be running into bad sectors on your hard drive that wouldn't typically be an issue because it's typically unused. Just my thoughts
 
Sounds good, but remember that I have had this 16 gig computer for years with P3D running with no problems at all. None. ..... even when flying o line with others.
 
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