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I would advise a dual-boot system. A 1TB drive is relatively cheap, and you can dedicate it to LINUX development. The Windows drives should be read and write capable to transfer files across operating systems.

According to Wikipedia, LINUX is used in only about 1.49% --> 5.0% of desktops. Windows is used in 80.99% --> 86.3% of all desktops. The rest are most likely Apple systems.

LINUX has been around for a while, as has Apple. Neither are serious competition for the Windows OS. Almost all desktops and laptops are sold with Windows pre-installed.

I point this out only because from a FS developer standpoint, LINUX is most likely a dead end. Not many people are ever going to use it. By far, the best bang for the buck is developing for a Windows environment... whether commercially or as freeware. Time spent playing with LINUX is time lost to developing for Windows. I know this sounds like I'm being a Microsoft fanboy, but I've been down a few dead ends in life, and I have tried to give that practice up.:rolleyes:

Dick
 
Fair points Dick. I am interested only insofar as I am considering doing a small utility for FlightGear (as much for my own interest as anything else). since that is cross platform I thought I might have a go at using Mono and see if I can get it to run in Linux and Windows. For that I thought a VM might work well enough. It is probably going to be the only cross platform thing I do!
 
Hi Jon,

You might want to look at the VirtualBox application as well, it is also a VM, but open source. I have used it in the past to run Windows (XP) on my Linux machine. As long as you don't use heavy 3D things it works quite well. I think the other way around should be the same.
 
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Hi Jon,

You might want to look at the VirtualBox application as well, it is also a VM, but open source. I have used it in the past to run Windows (XP) on my Linux machine. As long as you don't use heavy 3D things it works quite well. I think the other way around should be the same.
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Thanks Arno I will expecially since I can't get through the VMWare logins to get a download.
 
My laptop dual boots 7 and Xubuntu. It's okay, 10 to 15 GB of HDD space are well enough to get started with Linux.

I'm already thinking about deleting 7, even though it has perceivably superior power management. Gotta try WINE first though.
 
I used unix for years on Sun and HP workstations using GKS graphics libraries in C and Fortran :o

Of course I have forgotten all I knew :D
 
I have always wanted to try Linux. I love my Apple platform and curious about Win7 64, but a new, fresh OS like Linux is very enticing...
 
Thanks to Arno I have Ubuntu running very nicely in a VM in Win7. Everything works - connection to the internet, keyboard, mouse etc. The only thing I have not gotten working is to get access to the rest of my disks via Ubuntu.

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I use Knoppix 6.4.4 on a 16GB memory stick. It's just as good as a dual boot system - Stick in = Linux, Stick out = Windows.
I don't remember having any problems accessing any windows file on any NTFS disk/partition, I think it happened automagically.

It's also handy for frightening the life out of people that think their windows setup is secure.
 
lionheart said:
I have always wanted to try Linux. I love my Apple platform and curious about Win7 64, but a new, fresh OS like Linux is very enticing...
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"Fresh", lol.

Linux is way older than you think. Fairly recent (2006ish) "everyday normal guy" distributions like Ubuntu just made it popular.

One immensely great thing about Linux is that you'll get a new version every six months (depending on distribution) free of charge. Try to tell that to Apple or MS.

In fact, the kernel (core) of this Linux distribution I'm writing this post from is already newer than the one the official download shipped with.


One key thing about Linux is accepting that it it is neither MacOS nor Windows. You basically need an entirely new mindset (which isn't hard to obtain; provided one has access to Google) and then it'll rock your world.



scruffyduck said:
The only thing I have not gotten working is to get access to the rest of my disks via Ubuntu.
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You need to mount your other drives.

Ubuntu ships with a NTFS (and disk?) manager, but I guess the configuration of the VM also plays into the equation.

Automounting your other drives during startup requires a file edit or terminal work. Google can help with that.




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# of processes: 140
RAM usage: 33% of 2 GB (with Firefox 7 open)

Beat that, Windows 7!
 
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Competition brings forth inspiration and races for better product lines..

I remember getting my Apple iMac. So clean running. Booted up in what seemed like a few seconds. So easy to learn. If only it could run FS and Gmax.... arghhh..

Negative, Wine cannot run FS in MacOSX. Something to do with DX right now.
 
Wine is not that good for 3D applications that rely on DirectX a lot. So I think running FSX with wine on Linux is nothing something that will work very well.
 
Well, you folks who have run Linux for a while, my hat's off to you all.

Many very large banks and other businesses use it, I know. But it is just not new user friendly,yet. Sure you can Google help, but there are many disagreements on how to do things. I know it's the same with Windows. But I'm talking about simple things like how to download and install software. I have Ubuntu 11.4 on a test machine. There are good programs for video editing out there if I can get them to work.
All the Linux websites talk about how great Linux is, but none agree on what the best version is and how to work with it.
My Ubuntu seems stable and runs well, but I sure can't see dumping Windows any time soon. I can't do some of the things that I do with Windows.

Bob
 
lionheart said:
Competition brings forth inspiration and races for better product lines..
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The software market is too highly monopolized to say that.

Apple has very rigid ties between hard and its software, Windows' ties between hard- and software are very loose (and thus prone to errors) on the other hand and Linux is somewhere in between.

Negative, Wine cannot run FS in MacOSX. Something to do with DX right now.
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arno said:
Wine is not that good for 3D applications that rely on DirectX a lot. So I think running FSX with wine on Linux is nothing something that will work very well.
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Apparently, it is (was) "gold" rated...

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7775



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But it is just not new user friendly,yet. Sure you can Google help, but there are many disagreements on how to do things.
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Well, isn't it nice that you can do things in more than one way?

I've learned a lot about Linux just in trying to get my laptop's power consumption down.

But I'm talking about simple things like how to download and install software.
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Synaptic Package Manager.

Or
Code: 
sudo apt-get [package name]
in the terminal.

All the Linux websites talk about how great Linux is, but none agree on what the best version is and how to work with it.
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The kernel is basically always the same, the differences are just in the software package you get upon installation and a few bits here and there.

If you want, you can build your OS from the ground up to suit your and your hardware's specific needs without having too much unneeded stuff on the disk. How cool is that?

(Yes, disk space *is* still precious, no matter how many terabytes of data fit onto a HDD nowadays.)
 
Bjoern,

Bless you, you know how to work Linux. It makes sense to you. I'm not really knocking it. As I said, my Ubuntu seems to run well. But it is a frustration to me. Not everything can be downloaded from the package manager, or with the sudo command. When I talked about disagreements on how to do things, I meant this: I once tried to download software, it wasn't in the manager. I Googled how to do it for my version of Linux. One site said do it this way, another said that's stupid, do it this way. Neither way worked. Did I have the wrong syntax? Am I too dumb? Maybe so. It happened so many times that I gave up. As I said, it is not new user friendly, yet.
It is indeed nice that I could build my own OS. But I don't want to. I don't want to have to be a programmer just to get my computer to work. I will continue to work with it. But for what I do, I can't see giving up Windows. And I can't afford a Mac.

Bob
 
Heretic said:
If you want, you can build your OS from the ground up to suit your and your hardware's specific needs without having too much unneeded stuff on the disk. How cool is that?

(Yes, disk space *is* still precious, no matter how many terabytes of data fit onto a HDD nowadays.)
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Yes, this things could be learned in the schools, and build your sofware/hardware at your choice, and prevent from somekind of software imperiums, all hypotetical.
 
I have a triple boot of: Linux, OSX (osx86) and Vista.

Why not virtualbox etc? Simply because I need accelerated 3D to test and play.

Linux since 1998, nowadays 100%, even with running FSX on Wine etc. Not even one Virus etc. since, while back in 1998 i've lost all data on Win98.
 
bobbyjack said:
As I said, it is not new user friendly, yet.
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And it's most probably never going to be.

A barebone Linux doesn't rely on happy, satisfied customers or, for that matter, on customers at all.



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That might be the person who came here before and posted that it ran fine for him on Linux. But he never provided additional information when we asked for it. When I last tried Linux would not even recognise the FSX disk to start the installation :).
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One person on the whole planet managed to run FSX on Linux...nice mental image, but not very likely. :D



Tejal Bernardo said:
Yes, this things could be learned in the schools, and build your sofware/hardware at your choice, and prevent from somekind of software imperiums, all hypotetical.
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Or you could learn it yourself.

Install it, play around with it, "hmmmm..." and "oh...ah!" moments here and there and voilà, you're a Linux user, lol.



mike4lin said:
Linux since 1998, nowadays 100%, even with running FSX on Wine etc. Not even one Virus etc. since, while back in 1998 i've lost all data on Win98.
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Nice.

Did you manage to run GMax or else on WINE?
 
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