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I am using VISTA Ultimate, ADE, GMAX, AI Flight Planner Latest update. I have designed my airport (CYHM) and added several FS2004 and FSX aircraft to be used as Ai. They are all showing there but are not useing they're designated parking spots. If I change the time, they will change they're parking spots. (Dilemma) My Ai traffic has Flight Plans but will not adhere to them. They will just sit there and watch the default aircraft come and go. Traffic files compile with no problems. I'm missing something...what is it.

I am useing FSX exclussivly. Do I need the FSX Expantsion Pack to work with Ai Flight Planner? Frank!
 
Parking is a result of the airport design, not the flight plans.

Now flight plans do heavily influence parking - mainly by the number of aircraft put on the airport.

Are you using the Traffic Tool Box SDK Explorer to verify that you aircraft have the correct wing_span= values for the parking spots? That the parking codes match? That the aircraft movement times are when you are watching?

Parking Codes - must match EXACTLY - ACA is different from ACa and Aca

Parking Spot Size - must be as large or larger than the aircraft half wing span value. Be sure you are using Meters to set parking values, not feet. It is very easy to set a feet value and have it round down, resulting in a spot being too small.

They will just sit there and watch the default aircraft come and go.
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If the AI aircraft you have setup just sit there, then the time for their departure has not arrived. If AI aircraft are scheduled for departure, and something prevents the aircraft from taxi to the runway - the aircraft will disappear.

But, are these flightplans one airport only plans? i.e. CYHM -> CHYM plans without an intermediate airport?

If I change the time, they will change they're parking spots.
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This usually indicates an overflow issue. Various traffic.bgl files are loaded in ascii order of their names.

An old example, but a fellow had a lot of trouble with the SWA B737 aircraft parking in cargo parking at KORF.

After about two weeks, probably 50 posts and a lot of checking back and forth - we found the problem was the size of his NWA parking. He would start is FS at the same time, which would generate an NWA aircraft in the SWA parking spot. Northwest traffic was loaded before Southwest traffic. Then the first thing which happend was the NWA aircraft would pushback and taxi out.

So when he checked his SWA aircraft were at the cargo parking and their spot at the terminal was empty.

At any airport, I always like to test the parking with just the dominant airline. Make sure that airline parks perfectly at various times. Then if I see aircraft out of place, I know it is that that airline causing the problem.
 
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The problem I had was the times. I set my Departure at 10:45 to Cold Lake AB from CYHM and it didn't leave till around 11:35. I also had a maveric Fuel Truck blocking traffic and I took my aircraft twice to bump it out of the way. All in all, my aircrafts are leaving to they're seperate destinations. I will work on the parking as you sugested and also on the fuel truck problem. Thank you for your wise suggestions. Frank!
 
How do you install the traffic toolbox.dll into VISTA ultimate? I have no Documents and Settings folder Frank!
 
Documents and Settings = Windows XP

C:\Users\__your id__\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX = Vista

I would recommend you edit the path statement in the dll.xml file to include the full path with the drive letter to the TrafficToolBox.dll
 
The traffic toolbox part of my dll looks like this.

Launch.Addon>
<Name>Traffic Toolbox</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>
<Path>G:\SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Traffic Toolbox SDK\traffictoolbox.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>

The SDK folder is inside another folder called SDK (just the way it turned out) on my drive G: Thats where I installed FSX and the SDK.

Bob
 
Thank you, I have the tools showing in the menu bar but when I click on setup it dosen't show. All I get is a black screen and wait...wait. I pressed esc and the settings showed up under the airport display. I am now trying to find out why the setup or any of the others don't show up on top of the airport display. Frank!
 
Not sure what you mean by "setup". Click Tools\Traffic Toolbox\Explorer...FSX will switch to windowed mode,and a list of AI traffic will show.

Bob
 
I cannot get it to work. I click tools\traffic tools/ explore and nothing. I click on Esc\x and explorer flashes and disapears. Do I really need the traffic toold? Frank!
 
No. At your airport right click the screen, than click "Air Traffic". Now you see a list AI in your area. If you click on a plane you will get a view of that plane. However, the toolbox will give you information about parking, arrival and departure, etc.

I suggest starting simple. Use your CYHM and some other airport. Use a default 737 (or baron if only GA), make sure both airports have an open Gate Small (or small GA). Assign parking if you like. In AIFP set time to UTC. Write a 4 hr FP( that is if the plane can transit in less than 2 hrs) with two leggs. Go to the departure airport 5 minutes (GMT time , not local time) before take off. Speed up the sim ( so you don't have to wait so long)to 4x untill push back of your plane.

If that doesn't work, we'll need to look closer at your FPs and airport.

Bob
 
That List is real long with no scroll bars. My traffic is coming and going with no problems. I seem to have no control with the parking spots. Some aircraft can find they're parking spots okay. but others are having problems. I re-installed my aircraft.cfg file and it helped a little.

I had used the expansion pack and removed it because it gave my a little problem. Would this effect this in anyway? Frank!
 
You do not NEED the expantion pack. It contains SP2 which may have caused problems with some of your FS9 addons. When you deleted the pack you got rid of SP2. I think the benifits of SP2 outweigh the negitives. Anyway, service packs will have no effect on AIFP. Without seeing your airport,we can only guess as to why AI miss their spots. Reggie's post above lists all the usual problems.

As you know, you can set the traffic level in AIFP that your traffic appears at. Maybe change a set of your plans to 1%(if they are not that already), then in the sim set AI traffic to 5%. That should clear out some traffic and you can see if your planes work.

Hang in there.

Bob
 
There is only one aircraft that is misbehaveing, and that is the Air Transat. It parks where it wants to, depriveing the allocated aircraft to find another parking spots. I removed a lot of unused parking spots. The Air Transat is an Airbus
A310-300. Frank!
 
Frank

Is that A310 made for AI? User planes do not always work well as AI. Try substituting a different plane of the same size( a 737 and the A310 will both fit in a stock Gate Small) and see what happens. Don't forget to edit the parking code for the substitute plane. Double check wing span data for the plane and parking spot. That is one of the first things FSX uses to park planes.

Bob
 
Please accept my fullest of apologes, I have 12 sheets of disorganized figures and reference numbers. I had given Air Transat the wrong parking spot size. Now I can start working on the airport vehicle traffic.:D Thank you immensly for all your help. Frank!
 
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