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P3D v5 Small conversion - big problem

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kanoasurf

at least forme... trying to start with with the short story. I want to fly the ERJ145 designed for P3D4.2 in P3d5, and actualy it does fly well. But there are two small issues that arenoting, hence become an exciting challenge... unfortunately, I can't help myself to give it a go!:laughing:

Please have a look at the picture. In basically the landing lights are pointing in the wrong direction and at night the iluminate the cockpit instead of the runway.
Interestling the taxi lights are ok. The problem is no matter how much I try to play with the rotation fugures, there is no way to place it right. Note that the top Attached Object window object is the landing light, number 7, the chicky one, while the window below, number 8, shows the values for the taxi light, which are correct.
Any suggestions?

Also, in addition to that and before I do anything in MCX, is there any way that I can know which version of the sim I should export it to, to ensure nothing in the model will change? It would be unberable to have to adjust all the animations etc... I don't want to convert it but to correct it.

Cheers

K
 

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The entry of those values in any sim later than FS2004 is really funky. I know Arno has said it's due to something in the sim, but that doesn't make it any easier.

If you want -90, try entering values like 0, -180, 90, etc. When you click the mouse away from that line the number will change and then you can see if you guessed right.
 
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kanoasurf

"When you click the mouse away from that line the number will change and then you can see if you guessed right." Yes that is one of the main problems. and I see you've rised it already time ago. I have tried but the problem grows when you change lets say the Y, the middle value, and click away, it changes the X value to a silly figure! I'll keep trying and report back.
 
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Hi,

Are you using a recent build of MCX? About half a year ago I made changes to the attached object editor that makes entering the values easier.

For your exporting question. Importing and exporting from MCX will always modify the model, it's not possible to only change the lights. But it's probably best to export to the same sim the mdl file was designed for.
 
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kanoasurf

I thought I was using the latest but wasn't compleately sure as I rely on the auto update, so just in case I downloded a fresh one just now, but is exactly the same issue.

The rotation facility (the rest works like a charm as usual) is the one drives me nuts. In addition to changing values when you click away with no logic whatsoever you can use to figure out, it changes values of different parameters as well, I mean, if I change the three to let's say 0, 0, 0 and click away, it turns 90, 0, 0... any way, I'm trying to figure out the logic behind this rotation facility: it would be tremendously helpful to know:

Confirmation that xyz equals RGB
What are the numbers we change in the rotation box: degrees? and the "-" simbol what that it means?

Cheers
 
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Hi,

You are altering the rotation in degrees around the local X, Y and Z axes of the attached object. So these are the red, green and blue axes that you see for the attached object in the preview.

I just tried with an object here, but I don't have suddenly changing values. That is something that used to happen before, but like I wrote before I changed that a while ago.

Is there a specific way I can try to reproduce it here? For example with a default P3D model?
 
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kanoasurf

I just gave a go to the F35 P3d5 and does the same thing, ramdom changes of the values. check if in your system hapens the same. Actually I tried with another compleately fresh instalation of the development relase 1.5
 
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Hi,

I just tried with the P3D v4 F-35 model (I don't have v5 installed), but I think they are the same.

I can alter the rotation values of the attached objects in that model without any problems. The values always stay the way I entered them.
 
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kanoasurf

Downloaded again, isntalled it again and now is working. I did something wrong, but don't know what.

The logic of the values is still a bit difficult to understand though. So far I get that when you modify one value, let's say the first, red, X, and you set it to 90, the the other two axix moves, that say the plane made byt the other two axis rotates around X (red) 90 degrees. And that seems to work very often but not always. At least I've seen it constant for changes of 90 degrees or multiples, but if I want to change just a few degrees, seems to be a bit different.

In any case, the big work is done. I owe you guys an apology for wasting your time, it is aobvious was a fault at my end that I faild to identify in the forst place.

Thanks

K
 
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gavinc

arno said:
Hi,

I just tried with the P3D v4 F-35 model (I don't have v5 installed), but I think they are the same.

I can alter the rotation values of the attached objects in that model without any problems. The values always stay the way I entered them.
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Arno,
I have seen similar issues to what kanoasurf is reporting when I try to manipulate the rotation values of effects that are attached to model parts. I have usually managed to get the results I want by trial and error. Try changing the rotation values on the landing lights on this model and you will see what we mean. I got the angle correct by setting it before I attached the effect to the model part. If I try to adjust the rotation now all bets are off.

Gavin
 

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Thanks for the file, I'll test it tonight.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for the test file. Now I understand what was going on. In the hierarchy editor you could see that those attached effects had multiple transformation defined. The attached object editor does not support that correctly. I have now modified the optimization logic so that these multiple transformations are always removed (it was a left over from importing that should have been removed anyway). So in the next development release it should work correctly.
 
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gavinc

arno said:
Hi,

Thanks for the test file. Now I understand what was going on. In the hierarchy editor you could see that those attached effects had multiple transformation defined. The attached object editor does not support that correctly. I have now modified the optimization logic so that these multiple transformations are always removed (it was a left over from importing that should have been removed anyway). So in the next development release it should work correctly.
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Awesome Arno,
thanks for this - I've been fighting these transformation issues on AI conversions for years. Didn't report it as a bug because I (wrongly apparently) assumed it was a "feature" of effects that were attached to model parts.

Gavin
 
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kanoasurf

Hi Gavin, glad to see you :),

Thanks Arno,

And thanks Gavin, thanks to you I haven't wasted Arno's valueble time compleately after all. A bit of relief!:)
 
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