FSX Some Airliner Aircrafts Do Not Show

[hsung]

I am using WOAI in FSX, hence am using AIFP to view the traffic file's flight plans which greatly complements each other

However, I have a couple of questions:

1. Some airliner aircrafts do not show up at airports at the arrival time - e.g., In the Traffic_000_WoA_Air New Zealand_Su08.bgl file, flight 38 is scheduled to arrive at VHHH on Fri at 07:49 from EGLL, but it never shows up.

(Note: Air New Zealand aircrafts show up at some airports - e.g., NZAA)

2. Arrival info in "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window is different to FP Editor / Leg List - e.g. "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window shows Flight 99 arrives at RJAA on Fri at 07:39, but FP Editor / Leg List shows the same flight arrives on a Mon (refer to highlights in attached pics).

 

[gadgets]

1. Some airliner aircrafts do not show up at airports at the arrival time - e.g., In the Traffic_000_WoA_Air New Zealand_Su08.bgl file, flight 38 is scheduled to arrive at VHHH on Fri at 07:49 from EGLL, but it never shows up.

(Note: Air New Zealand aircrafts show up at some airports - e.g., NZAA)

There are many reasons why an aircraft doesn't show up. WoAI flight plans present special problems since they are all compiled for FS9 - even though they are labelled for FSX and they set an atificial cruise speed. This is discussed in a stickey to this forum. Have you read (and followed) the troubleshooting guide which is also a stickey in this forum? If not, please do so. If you have, please provide me with enough info for me to at least make an educated guess.

2. Arrival info in "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window is different to FP Editor / Leg List - e.g. "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window shows Flight 99 arrives at RJAA on Fri at 07:39, but FP Editor / Leg List shows the same flight arrives on a Mon (refer to highlights in attached pics).

The arr/dep panel shows this flight arriving on Monday, Tuesday and Friday. Since it only appears once in the flight plan you highlighted in the editor, presumably it also appears in other flight plans as well. In fact, it arrives every day, but at a slghtly different time, suggesting it appears in 6 other flightplans. Since it does show arrival on Tuesday for this flight plan, what is the problem you're concerned about?

Don

 

[hsung]

There are many reasons why an aircraft doesn't show up. WoAI flight plans present special problems since they are all compiled for FS9 - even though they are labelled for FSX and they set an atificial cruise speed. This is discussed in a stickey to this forum. Have you read (and followed) the troubleshooting guide which is also a stickey in this forum? If not, please do so. If you have, please provide me with enough info for me to at least make an educated guess.

Yes, I have read the troubleshooting guide but found nothing that relates to my queries. What additional info do you need?

The arr/dep panel shows this flight arriving on Monday, Tuesday and Friday. Since it only appears once in the flight plan you highlighted in the editor, presumably it also appears in other flight plans as well. In fact, it arrives every day, but at a slghtly different time, suggesting it appears in 6 other flightplans. Since it does show arrival on Tuesday for this flight plan, what is the problem you're concerned about?

Don

Normally, when I double-click on a flight in the "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window, AIFP automatically takes me to the relevant flightplan in the FP Editor / Leg List. You are correct there are other related flight plans which I found by clicking the flight plans sequentially downwards. Is there a shortcut to identify/highlight the relevant flight plans from the big list?

 

[gadgets]

Yes, I have read the troubleshooting guide but found nothing that relates to my queries. What additional info do you need?

Then you have confirmed there is adequate approriate parking actually connected to the runways and that there is no other useful information in Traffic Toolbox Explorer (such as the flight not even listed). Did you try restoring cruise speeds (an AIFP function)? If none of these things helped, please send me the traffic file, noting which particlar flights don't show up on which day(s) at which particular time(s).

Normally, when I double-click on a flight in the "Arrivals and Departures" dialog window, AIFP automatically takes me to the relevant flightplan in the FP Editor / Leg List. You are correct there are other related flight plans which I found by clicking the flight plans sequentially downwards. Is there a shortcut to identify/highlight the relevant flight plans from the big list?

When AIFP encounters an arrival from a particular originating airport or departure to a particular destination that operates at the same time on several days, it consolidate them on the same line in the Arr/Dep list (like in an airline schedule) and, when you click on that line, takes you to the first flight plan in the Flight Plan List that satisfies the criteria.

To address your particular situation would require an option to list each one separately - which I suspect would be used very infrequently and, hence, I'm not inclined to add to an already complex user interface.

The Find/Replace function should allow you to quickly identify which flight plans are involved.

Don

 

[hsung]

Then you have confirmed there is adequate approriate parking actually connected to the runways and that there is no other useful information in Traffic Toolbox Explorer (such as the flight not even listed).

Yes, there is adequate parking and the airliner's jet is not listed.

Did you try restoring cruise speeds (an AIFP function)? If none of these things helped, please send me the traffic file, noting which particlar flights don't show up on which day(s) at which particular time(s).

I have now restored cruise speeds and will test again. I assume the traffic file needs to be re-compiled after restoring cruise speeds, right?

When AIFP encounters an arrival from a particular originating airport or departure to a particular destination that operates at the same time on several days, it consolidate them on the same line in the Arr/Dep list (like in an airline schedule) and, when you click on that line, takes you to the first flight plan in the Flight Plan List that satisfies the criteria.

To address your particular situation would require an option to list each one separately - which I suspect would be used very infrequently and, hence, I'm not inclined to add to an already complex user interface.

The Find/Replace function should allow you to quickly identify which flight plans are involved.

Don

Thanks for this tip

 

[hsung]

Thought I had worked out why Air NZ does not show up at VHHH with my understanding that when "+1" is appended to the Override ETA time - i.e., scheduled to arrive the following day.

I confirmed this by changing the World Time from a saved flight that landed at VHHH and found an Air NZ 747-400 parked at a gate on Wed at 07:48+1 and 22:44 - refer to attached pic.

However when I tried Mon at 22:44 or later, Air NZ was not found at VHHH.

Don, I shall PM the traffic file to you.

[EDIT] Looks like attachments are not allowed in PM, so I have attached the traffic file in this thread.

Thanks.

 

[scott967]

I did try that traffic bgl in FS9 and FSX. Flight plan 34 contains the flight 38 ZK-SUJ leaves EGLL thurs 20:29 UCT and arrives VHHH Fri 07:49 UCT. In my FSX test I corrected cruise speed and compiled for FSX. I observed at both default EGLL and VHHH. Aircraft spawned at EGLL Gate 139. Preflight support started at 20:30 and it transitioned to takeoff 2 at 20:47 from 9L. I then reset the sim to VHHH at fri 07:15. The flight showed up enroute at 07:28 with an ETA of 07:49. Assigned landing runway 7L at 07:42 , rollout at 07:45, assigned parking gate W42.

You do have 100% airline plans slider?

scott s.

 

[hsung]

My current problem is Flight 39 in FP 29 is not showing at VHHH on Mon @ 22:44. The flight departs NZAA (not EGLL) on the same day @ 11:29.

My Airline traffic density is set at 51%.

I am now retesting another Dragon Air which failed to show at WBKK on Wed AFTER restoring cruise speeds and recompiling the traffic file.

 

[hsung]

OK, I found some other airlines - e.g., Dragon Air and Asiana - are not showing at WBKK because their flight Active Level % is higher than my setting of 51%.

What are the implications of reducing their active level %?

However, this discovery still does not explain why the Air NZ Flight 39 does not show at VHHH on Mon because it's Active Level is set at 21%.

 

[robystar]

Hi,

Although I have only the summer 07 Air New Zealand flightplans, I do have the same flightplan for the same flight landing on VHHH on Monday at 7 something GMT exactly as AIFP arrivals info showed.
And it does show up in the explorer in the traffic toolbox and it lands nicely but a bit late after two go arounds (because a Lufthansa and a Cathay were landing first and were still on the runway).
My traffic is set at 70%.
Are you sure you set the right GMT/Zulu time?
If your FSX traffic setting level is higher than the percentage indicated in the flightplan for the flightplan involved, your aircraft will show up in acordance with the flightplan. If not, FSX simply will not load the flightplan.
If I were to set my traffic density slider in FSX to 30%, I guess some other airplanes would not be there and the Air New Zealand B747 would have landed straight away.
Mind you, I always update the WOAI cruise speed in the flightplan to the real cruise speed as mentioned in the aircraft.cfg as per the AIFP manual advice.

 

[hsung]

Hi,

Although I have only the summer 07 Air New Zealand flightplans, I do have the same flightplan for the same flight landing on VHHH on Monday at 7 something GMT exactly as AIFP arrivals info showed.

I believe I have the same Summer 07 package (as written at the WOAI site), except the Readme.txt writes Summer 08.

My traffic is set at 70%.
Are you sure you set the right GMT/Zulu time?
If your FSX traffic setting level is higher than the percentage indicated in the flightplan for the flightplan involved, your aircraft will show up in acordance with the flightplan. If not, FSX simply will not load the flightplan.
If I were to set my traffic density slider in FSX to 30%, I guess some other airplanes would not be there and the Air New Zealand B747 would have landed straight away.

Yes, I set the GMT time to 22:44 on the Mon. I also tried changing my traffic setting to 70 and 30 percents, but it still did not show.

Mind you, I always update the WOAI cruise speed in the flightplan to the real cruise speed as mentioned in the aircraft.cfg as per the AIFP manual advice.

I did this do - three times now - but I notice that the B744 GE cruise speed reverts to 476 from 477 when I reload the .bgl file (after it was re-compiled). I don't believe this is the cause though as the difference is only 1 knot.

 

[scott967]

OK, I found some other airlines - e.g., Dragon Air and Asiana - are not showing at WBKK because their flight Active Level % is higher than my setting of 51%.

What are the implications of reducing their active level %?

However, this discovery still does not explain why the Air NZ Flight 39 does not show at VHHH on Mon because it's Active Level is set at 21%.

It's just a way of throttling the amount of AI. I always set in FS to 100% for testing. Or if I build flightplans for test I set them all to 1%.

scott s.
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[robystar]

Hi,

There is no Air New Zealand flight arriving in VHHH on monday night GMT as far as I can tell..
On mondays it is arrivng at 07:49 GMT which translates into 14:49 local.
Set your FS time to Monday 07:30 GMT, open traffic toolbox explorer and you should find your Air New Zealand B744 en route and expected to land on VHHH around 07:48 GMT.

 

[hsung]

Hi,

There is no Air New Zealand flight arriving in VHHH on monday night GMT as far as I can tell..
On mondays it is arrivng at 07:49 GMT which translates into 14:49 local.
Set your FS time to Monday 07:30 GMT, open traffic toolbox explorer and you should find your Air New Zealand B744 en route and expected to land on VHHH around 07:48 GMT.

Hi, you don't have flight arriving at VHHH on a Mon at 22:44 GMT listed under flight plan 29 in your Air NZ traffic file like my post #6 of this thread?

Anyway, I found the Air NZ flight (Reg. # ZK-NBS) at NZAA on Mon at 11:29 which is the departure time to VHHH. This means it's 22:29 local time at NZAA, and I thought how can this B744 reach VHHH at 22:44 GMT or 05:44 local time in VHHH on the same day with almost an 11 hour flight So, I changed the FSX world time to Tue at 22:44, and found ZK-NBS parked at VHHH.

I understand the “+1” suffix is used to indicate a flight arriving the following day or after midnight, but not in this case. Is this because there is no similar notation for west bound flights departing from Oceania?

 

[scott967]

I will take a look, but when troubleshooting make sure you do all your work in UTC. Don't get local times mixed up in it. I don't know but FS could have problems in dealing with crossing the international dateline.

scott s.
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[gadgets]

AIFP is designed to place a "-1" suffix on ETAs where required when crossing the International Date Line westward. It worked the last time I checked which, admittedly, was some time ago.

This suffix, whether or not present, is for AIFP display purposes only. It is unlikley to have any bearing on the issue.

Don

 

[robystar]

Hello,

"Hi, you don't have flight arriving at VHHH on a Mon at 22:44 GMT listed under flight plan 29 in your Air NZ traffic file like my post #6 of this thread?"
No, I do not. We must have slightly different flightplans.