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Hi all,

Just a heads-up:
Those 2 libraries are potentially conflicting...JGSE (jgse_j3.zip) and Vehicules Yellow.
They contains duplicate objects with same GUID.
JGSE has new objects too and is missing some from Yellow.

You can use either of them but both is not advisable.

It seems the author might not be aware of the problem so I contacted him and advised to consolidate both libraries. I will post news as they come.
 
I received feedback from the author that replied in kind. He was aware of the issue and obviously tried its best at avoiding it. However it seems a user with little ethics uploaded a library while using John's name. And that's how we end up in a mess.

I will provide John with a link to this thread in case he would like to give more details. I am unclear if the 'older version' he refers to is the library 'Vehicules Yellow'. I don't know either if he created that library or someone else did (using his name).
If he is then anyone that would like to get clean by using JGSE instead of Yellow but used one of the 12 objects found in the latest and not in JGSE will like me be stuck.

In any case, I thank John for being a responsible author and clarifying the situation so quickly.

From: Patrick
To: johnstinstrom@aceweb.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:34 PM
Subject: JGSE

Hi John,

I just downloaded your library "jgse_j3.zip" and wanted to let you know of a serious problem the release of this library is creating. Users that have previously installed your library "Vehicules Yellow" now have 2 conflicting libraries since JGSE and Vehicules Yellow are basically twins except for the fact that some object found in Yellow are not in JGSE and new ones have been added in JGSE. Those are not the concern. The issue is about the objects that are exactly the same and with the same GUID. You might not be aware that duplicate GUID might prevent the object from displaying in FS.

My opinion is that JGSE should be removed from the download web site and Vehicule Yellow should be updated with the new objects else users, who like me realize the duplication, will not be able to use JGSE as it is.

I invite you to visit http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76440 and read our thread concerning library standards to avoid GUID duplication.

Regards,
Patrick


Duplicates in JGSE:
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6600 Bobtail Scissor
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6601 Bobtail
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6602 Checker_Radar
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6603 Checker_Tower_Small
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6604 Checker_Water_Tower
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6605 GSE_10
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6606 GSE_11
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6607 GSE_12
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6608 GSE_13
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6650 Weapons Tractor Empty
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6651 Weapons Tractor W Figure
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6652 Weapons Tractor Roofed Empty
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6653 Hoist Small
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6655 Nitrogen Cart
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6656 Ground Power Unit
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6657 Ground Power Unit W Tractor
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6658 Tow Bar
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6659 Tow Tractor W Tow Bar
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6660 Maintenance Stand 1
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6661 Maintenance Stand 2
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6662 Maintenance Stand 3
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6665 Weapons Trolley Empty Single
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6666 Weapons Trolley Empty Single Up
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6667 Weapons Trolley Empty Double
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6668 Weapons Trolley Empty Triple
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6669 Weapons Trolley Empty Platform
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6670 Weapons Trolley W AGM84 Harpoon Single
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6671 Weapons Trolley W AGM84 Harpoon Double
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6672 Weapons Trolley W Mk46 Torpedo
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6673 Weapons Trolley W AIM120 AAMRAM
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6674 Weapons Trolley W Mk82 Bomb Double
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6680 Stairs 1
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6684 Fuel Truck
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6685 Fuel Truck R-2
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6686 Fuel Truck R-6
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6687 Fuel Truck R-12
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6688 Fuel Trailer
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6689 Fuel Truck Tractor
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6690 Fire Truck 1
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6691 Fire Truck 2
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6692 Fire Truck 3
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6693 Fire Truck 4

Object in Yellow but not in JGSE:
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6620 Cube Van White
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6621 P-Van White
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6622 C-60 Crew Utility
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6623 C-60 Crew Box
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6624 C-60 Crew De-Icer
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6625 C-60 Crew Flatbed
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6626 C-60 Crew Stakebed
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6645 Light Trailer Up
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6646 Light Trailer Down
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6647 Ammunition Loader 1
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6648 Ammunition Loader 2
806CD8A0A1434200A72F6B4C58FA6649 Tow Tractor Heavy

New objects:
<ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_29.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6684"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_30.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6685"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_31.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6686"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_32.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6687"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_33.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6688"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_34.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6689"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_35.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6690"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_36.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6691"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_37.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6692"/> <ModelData fileOffset="0" sourceFile="C:\Users\Pat\Desktop\New folder\Vehicules Yellow_38.mdl" name="806cd8a0a1434200a72f6b4c58fa6693
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From: John Stinstrom [mailto:johnstinstrom@aceweb.com]
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:50 PM
To: Patrick
Subject: Re: JGSE

Patrick I appreciate you mentioning this to me. Avsim is no longer hosting these files at my request. I do find that both sets are still available at Flightsim.com which is confusing to me as I had not uploaded the older format for FSX and don't know who did although my name was used. I have asked Flightsim.com to take down the files and that should fix it.

As of a year or so ago I have been doing as you suggested and that is direct users to where any needed supplemental libraries can be found downloaded (when they are not included in the package).

Usually the only conflicts with update libraries occur when all the textures are not available or the older libraries are given a higher priority in the scenery structure. I am doing most of my work now for organized groups and although they all have guidelines to prevent the problems you mention, they tend )as you would imagine) to take different approaches in applying the fix. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. :)
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Usually the only conflicts with update libraries occur when all the textures are not available or the older libraries are given a higher priority in the scenery structure.
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Interesting information.
 
Here is the final conversation regarding those libraries:

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick
To: 'John Stinstrom'
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:35 AM
Subject: RE: JGSE

Hi John,

Thank you very much for your quick response. Clearly some users either have no ethics or simply didn't know they were doing wrong while thinking they were helping out.

If I understand correctly JGSE should be used instead of Vehicules Yellow. Is that correct?
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From: John Stinstrom [mailto:johnstinstrom@aceweb.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:33 PM
To: Patrick
Subject: Re: JGSE

Patrick I am sending this message to you as I am unable to logon to FSdeveloper at this time. My best recommendation at this time would be for users to delete any copies of the yellow object library (*JGSE*.bgl) and download one of the newer packages from http://www.militaryaiworks.com. These are the most up-to-date public copies of the libraries available. They can be obtained by downloading and installing any of the packages below from MAIW's website.


Atsugi NAF, Japan
Whidbey Island NAS Growlers, Washington, USA
Beaufort MCAS, North Carolina, USA
Patuxent NAS, Maryland, USA
Lemoore NAS, California, USA
Kingsville NAS, Texas, USA
Meridian NAS, Mississippi, USA


This is not an optimal solution but my own source models are no longer available and while I intend to re-create the library with updates it is not likely to happen soon due to other commitments. On the plus side, this solution WILL create a new library folder which would be available to all scenery add-ons and (if ALL other copies are deleted or removed from the active scenery list) should provide the user with proper scenery in all his locations with a much lower memory and hard-drive overhead.
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