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WSSL Seletar Airport Singapore

Hector Lee

Hector Lee

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Hi everyone,

This is my first scenery project and I decided to work on Seletar Airport WSSL since I'm from Singapore and there hasn't been any scenery for it. Not even an AFCAD (There's only one for X-Plane though). Seletar airport has recently undergone some major renovations and the area is now known as Seletar Aerospace park with tons of aviation manufacturers setting up camp there. Changi Airport WSSS has also announced that they will be moving some flights, particularly the slower prop aircraft, to land at Seletar as slots at Changi Airport are packed. The passenger terminal is going to be demolished and rebuilt so I'm waiting for the new design of that.

I did some flying lessons there before so its quite a memorable place for me. I'm planning to model the surrounding areas and possibly a number of Singapore landmarks. The default scenery models are rather outdated. These landmarks are important as the airport is VFR only. The proposed ILS system is yet to finish implementation. The VFR circuit is rather tight so you'll need the VFR landmarks to stay within the circuit or risk intruding military airspace (embarrassingly I did drift into the military airspace as a student pilot once and got a radio message from them).

I finally worked up the courage to share some WIP shots here since its Singapore's 50th birthday today. So Happy National Day to any Singaporeans here.

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Hi Hector,
It looks great and will become a great addition to the simworld. I really wonder why Singapore has been left behind regards to sceneries - it is a relatively compact area with several airports and a spectacular skyline, but even the existing payware sceneries are far from present standard.
Henrik
 
Thats so nice, wonderful work. I would like to ask you what are your asphalt texture, because are perfect.
 
Thank you all for the kind comments.

Singapore is really a small place 700 square kilometers with 4 airbases and two public airports. Flying in the aircraft training areas, it's controlled airspace just a few minutes in every direction. The ultimate goal would be able awesome to model the entire country so that VFR flying would be really fun. It's not so big that it's impossible, it's the number of buildings here that's going to take a long time.

Buildings changes really quickly here so sceneries get outdated rather quickly.
 
Getting the skyline right is definitely something I hope to get right. The night skyline is even better, definitely a challenge there.

jlsanargu, the asphalt texture is edited from some textures from cgtextures. I'm actually not that happy with my asphalt textures yet. I think it looks to 'perfect' and new. Might change it if I figure out a way to get them looking more realistic.
 
If you want your asphalt textures dont look so perfect,you can overlay another texture in another layer over them, just with dirty and skids, and play with alpha levels until they both blended and the results are espectacular.
 
Yea. I've been experimenting with that. It's the creating of the actual texture files of skids that I'm not satisfied with yet. Can't seem to get them to a level of realism at the moment. I'm currently looking at making the darker marks left from the removal of old markings. There are quite a number of these due to the renovation and re designation of parking areas.
 
700 square kilometers is actually quite something if most of it is extremely dense metropolitan area with a huge number of landmarks and several airports. I always wanted to create a scenery of Singapore, but it would mean a LOT of work, and I'm not sure people would want to pay the price needed to make such an addon profitable.
But if you like, Hector, send me a PM and we'll discuss a few things. ;)
 
I would also like to join that discussion if it is about a larger Singapore project... Remember the harbour of Singapore is one of the most significant landmarks and I do have a all the ships needed for such a project... Some would have to be simplified a bit, but that is a minor issue.
 
Hi Hector,

I recently enquired about satellite photo imagery for Singapore. As I am based in Singapore and also looked at doing up Singapore.

50cm DigitalGlobe imagery for $25,000-30,000 USD. I know the Singapore LTA have got 10cm imagery done recently but its not for public use.

Its not a cheap adventure. Changi alone would cost $700 USD for the imagery @ 50cm.

It would take alot of resources and definitely not a one man team to do Singapore up to a high standard. Its also very difficult to get imagery of all the airports as they are very policed.

ImagineSim is also remaking changi as far as I am aware.

regards
Philip
 
Hi guys,

Wow. Didn't expect that much interest in my crazy idea of modelling Singapore. I did look up satellite imagery for Singapore too but didn't get an exact quote. Looking at the estimate I found of $500-$1000USD just for the Seletar Airport area at 60cm (i think) was already making photo scenery a low priority for me. I also came across the news about LTA doing aerial orthoimagery but would never expect them to release it for public use.

I've primarily been using Google Maps, Street view and occasionally Bing, HERE maps for aerial references. They are still rather outdated so there's some guess work/research/site visits involved. But it has been possible for me to work without having high-resolution satellite images up to this point so far. Photo references are really sparse as you mentioned about this places being heavily policed.

Modelling Changi Airport WSSS was never part of my plans as there is ImagineSim reworking it already and I do recall another developer considering it. They would probably do a better job than me at this point.

I definitely understand that it isn't a one-man team to do Singapore up to a high standard. I've yet to set definite goals about what will be modelled and what will not with regards to the entire Singapore project. Just working on my scenery design skills as I experiment with scenery design so far. The only things so far that I am pretty sure will be done are Seletar and its immediate surroundings, VFR flying landmarks, and maybe a few major landmarks if I get around to it.

This project has thus far been a 'do it cause I love it' hobby project. Whether it ends up freeware or payware isn't something that I have confirmed or am working towards yet (if I end up getting satellite imagery then most probably than not it will be payware). I know that this will be a really long journey for me, definitely at least a couple of years.
 
Here are some earlier renders of the control tower/emergency services building. I've actually made more progress since then but just need to render out the images first. I've rendering on a GT630 so it takes quite some time to render images. Its still very much a work in progress as I'm missing certain angles of the facility so I'm adding more details as I find more references.

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Hector Lee said:
Hi guys,

Wow. Didn't expect that much interest in my crazy idea of modelling Singapore. I did look up satellite imagery for Singapore too but didn't get an exact quote. Looking at the estimate I found of $500-$1000USD just for the Seletar Airport area at 60cm (i think) was already making photo scenery a low priority for me. I also came across the news about LTA doing aerial orthoimagery but would never expect them to release it for public use.

I've primarily been using Google Maps, Street view and occasionally Bing, HERE maps for aerial references. They are still rather outdated so there's some guess work/research/site visits involved. But it has been possible for me to work without having high-resolution satellite images up to this point so far. Photo references are really sparse as you mentioned about this places being heavily policed.

Modelling Changi Airport WSSS was never part of my plans as there is ImagineSim reworking it already and I do recall another developer considering it. They would probably do a better job than me at this point.

I definitely understand that it isn't a one-man team to do Singapore up to a high standard. I've yet to set definite goals about what will be modelled and what will not with regards to the entire Singapore project. Just working on my scenery design skills as I experiment with scenery design so far. The only things so far that I am pretty sure will be done are Seletar and its immediate surroundings, VFR flying landmarks, and maybe a few major landmarks if I get around to it.

This project has thus far been a 'do it cause I love it' hobby project. Whether it ends up freeware or payware isn't something that I have confirmed or am working towards yet (if I end up getting satellite imagery then most probably than not it will be payware). I know that this will be a really long journey for me, definitely at least a couple of years.
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One way would be to leave Changi and rather than a high detail photoreal concentrate on a good autogen combined with land mark buildings. As a large part is covered with dense forest that would be easy. And high res photoreal of an area with high rise buidings does not make much sense anyway.
 
Here are the latest renders with some textures applied. Still missing some parts of the buildings. Found a few more photos recently and will be adding those in. I got the aerodome beacon wrong and will be redoing that.

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KL791 said:
One way would be to leave Changi and rather than a high detail photoreal concentrate on a good autogen combined with land mark buildings. As a large part is covered with dense forest that would be easy. And high res photoreal of an area with high rise buidings does not make much sense anyway.
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I did look at custom autogen. Its on my to learn list and currently spending some time modelling some buildings to try it out. I've been redrawing the coastline and landclass for the area surrounding WSSL and it does look much better already.
 
I thought I would share as I have been planning to do a Singapore for flight sim for years but only recently found out the massive amount of resources it would take.

If you are interested in WSSL imagery at any point let me know as I have a good contact and might be able to get a better price for you than what you have been quoted. Also at 0.5m year 2014.

Unfortunately prices keep going up it seems every year or two.

regards
Philip

Hector Lee said:
Hi guys,

Wow. Didn't expect that much interest in my crazy idea of modelling Singapore. I did look up satellite imagery for Singapore too but didn't get an exact quote. Looking at the estimate I found of $500-$1000USD just for the Seletar Airport area at 60cm (i think) was already making photo scenery a low priority for me. I also came across the news about LTA doing aerial orthoimagery but would never expect them to release it for public use.

I've primarily been using Google Maps, Street view and occasionally Bing, HERE maps for aerial references. They are still rather outdated so there's some guess work/research/site visits involved. But it has been possible for me to work without having high-resolution satellite images up to this point so far. Photo references are really sparse as you mentioned about this places being heavily policed.

Modelling Changi Airport WSSS was never part of my plans as there is ImagineSim reworking it already and I do recall another developer considering it. They would probably do a better job than me at this point.

I definitely understand that it isn't a one-man team to do Singapore up to a high standard. I've yet to set definite goals about what will be modelled and what will not with regards to the entire Singapore project. Just working on my scenery design skills as I experiment with scenery design so far. The only things so far that I am pretty sure will be done are Seletar and its immediate surroundings, VFR flying landmarks, and maybe a few major landmarks if I get around to it.

This project has thus far been a 'do it cause I love it' hobby project. Whether it ends up freeware or payware isn't something that I have confirmed or am working towards yet (if I end up getting satellite imagery then most probably than not it will be payware). I know that this will be a really long journey for me, definitely at least a couple of years.
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KL791 said:
You can take a look here - http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/th...al-ai-shipping-package-for-fsx.425633/page-19 All in all there would be around 350 models relevant for Singapore. Today they are all AI models and the routes also include Singapore, but to most of them can easily get a reduction in polygones to make them more suitable as static models in a larger scenery.
Henrik
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Henrik, those models look great! The port is definitely a major landmark of Singapore but I'll need to plan out the scope of the project for the time being. I'll still be spending much more time on WSSL before considering tackling the whole Singapore project. I'll definitely keep you in mind when the time comes. Are those ships released yet or a WIP?
 
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